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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg so Jay Randall Murphy is

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joining us once again on the power cast

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and our special guest is the one the

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only Nick Redfern and we'll talk in a

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few moments about his latest book the

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black diary subtitled MIB women in black

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black eyed children and dangerous books

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oh we're in trouble now so Nick you're

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just back from the UK did you get a

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chance to meet Megan and Harry all right

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well a lot of us probably aren't I don't

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know I guess they're good for tourism

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aren't they actually that is what they

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are good for I mean Britain is ruled you

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know terms of the laws that set by the

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prime minister which is the British

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equivalent of you know a president over

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here but the royal family more sort of

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like a like a status symbol you're right

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deity brings in you know a ton of money

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every year in tourism people love that

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sort of old style part of England you

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know but the Royals don't rule the

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country in the same way they did say

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five six hundred years ago be just a

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team each more than anything else and a

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lot of people you know in the UK resent

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the fact that they have to sing but not

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a significant amount but a percentage of

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their tax goes towards upholding the

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royal family people say well why should

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we you know and he done it for me at

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least you know it's a valid question

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well I chose the PR value yeah all that

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comes into play there's no doubt about

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that

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I don't think anyone begrudge is the

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fact that he brings money in but it's

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like why do we have to support them and

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is it really necessary you know if

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you're happy with you bring

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in tourism and you know that a British a

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major like an all rope I mean that's

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fine but for me I you know I can live

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with it or without it I don't really

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give it much thought

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we've got Trump here in some real hot

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water for his recent lack of following

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protocol over there I think he walked

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ahead of the Queen I won't get to the

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politics of it just his physical actions

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yeah actually didn't really follow much

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when I was over in England I was there

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on vacation and when I go on a vacation

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I go on old school vacation I don't

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check email every five minutes or

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Facebook I just everything switches off

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for two weeks I wish I can do that

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anybody can everybody can but they just

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feel they they there's just that urge

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some real weird urge where they've just

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got to check in every half an hour or

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whatever but I don't you know I just

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when I was over there I'll have gone for

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two weeks I didn't check anything I came

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back to like a mountain of emails and

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Facebook messages and but the way I look

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at it is that for the you know cinders

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until I was like you know the last China

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the last 15 years 20 years you know I

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went on vacation in the normal

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old-fashioned style

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I still do that are you saying you

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didn't even take a cell phone with you

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took my cell phone with me

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but he never went on once so you just

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turned on yeah one of the reasons is

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because you know I didn't have an

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American to UK voltage converter so that

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was one of the reasons but I mean the

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thing is though even if I did answer the

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phone and check messages

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I know exactly what would happen and if

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I check Facebook and email and know what

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exactly what would happen I'd end up

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having to answer questions and and so in

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other words I know that I'd be doing

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stuff if I answered the phone or I

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checked Facebook or I checked emails and

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so you know what does he do well he just

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interrupt your vacation for me a

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vacation it's called a vacation because

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you're on vacation

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that's the way I look at meat anyway

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I've got respect for that I actually

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don't own a cell phone still and I don't

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want one for exactly all those reasons I

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spend enough time in front of a computer

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screen as it is well you know I mean I

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have an iPhone but I'm one of these

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people who uses it when it's needed I

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mean I can't think of anything worse and

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you know same watching TV or got a

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girlfriend over and the iPhone you know

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pinging every time a new message comes

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through from Facebook Facebook or you

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know an alert about this or that where

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you're you know you're a feel honest

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forced to to answer it and and for me

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it's not like that I'm old school you

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know I'm up on all the technologies it

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just comes down to I enjoy having a

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regular life which doesn't have me tied

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to the internet 24/7 you know and and

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somebody you know having to reply

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because somebody sent me a piece of

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footage of a talking cat or something no

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well you know in case you don't like

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talking cats well I don't mind talking

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cat they don't need to be told about

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them but I'm you know like I said got a

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girlfriend over I mean they love them

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good movie or something well if you have

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a girlfriend over it's not the movie why

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they ask you something here the book the

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black diary

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and you've written several books in a

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focused on these subjects different ways

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final one as well is the final one this

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where you put it all together and try to

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figure it out well I mean I could

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actually keep going I mean the man in

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black history is one of my favorite

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things to investigate and write about

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and talk about but and I could you know

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I could keep doing them over and over

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again you know more and more I should

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say but I felt that the five that I've

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now done all took basically different

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aspects of the phenomenon and I don't

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really think in all honesty there are

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other aspects that I haven't covered and

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so I'll be in that point oh don't

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want to get into where if we start to

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reveal I recycled I don't want to be in

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that positions I don't think it's fair

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on the reader and I don't mean that

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material be recycled I mean but the

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themes would be recycled and I think

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I've now sort of exhausted what I can

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say about the subject without just

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presenting more and more cases which are

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identical or very similar to previous

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books and so I felt you know the fifth

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one which is you know they're all

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different it's a sort of nice one to go

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out on and and then focus on other

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things but I won't stop investigating

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and researching the subject or doing

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articles on the subject I just don't

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feel that you know it just it just

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doesn't sort of sit right with me to do

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more and more of the same you know well

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you don't want to get into a situation

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here where it's like son of MIB daughter

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of MIB MIB 7 we're a sequel Isis exactly

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I just want to sort of be able to do

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enough to keep it fresh and then go on

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to something else you know I don't want

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to be the equivalent of like some old

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band you know that just plays the same

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18 songs every other night you know and

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without ever doing anything new you know

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and and it becomes like a nostalgia trip

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I don't really get that I wonder if

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that's a big reason why the beatles

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broke up because they can't sing she

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loves you yeah yeah yeah when they're 73

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years old except for Paul McCartney who

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would as you know I'm big into music and

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you know write about musical art and

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play and and you know for me bands

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shouldn't the band's I like you know how

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we doesn't always work out like this I

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would hope they would know when to stop

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because inevitably you know the time

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comes when they slow down and ill-health

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gets in and somebody decides to leave I

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got to get another major you know

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frontman in or whatever which never

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works so and you know I think all who

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know when they should stop but actually

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convincing them to buy a different thing

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it's kind of like a TV series and

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successful but some of these TV series

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they will decide you know what let's

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just end it this year let's have a nice

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ending like the Americans in the sixth

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season let's wrap up the story but then

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they could also be like Law & Order SVU

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where it goes on for 20 years and how

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many times have they retread the same

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stories with a few changes in the script

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and when you do something like that

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there was a show called Chicago Justice

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that seemed to be recycling old law and

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order scripts and it got to a point

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where well you know we have Nick Redfern

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we have Jay Randall Murphy we have Jean

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Steinberg you're in Erika we also have

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swag you know we have all these

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exclusive power cast things that you can

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buy we've got like I guess 60 or so

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different items and entails t-shirts

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cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to store dot

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that the items are the best quality of

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great t-shirts fabrics and they have our

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official logo on them that's what makes

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them special multiple sizes and colors

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we even have stuff for children stuff

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for women's stuff for men we have all

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sorts of sizes like small up to X large

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a lot of good stuff that's the swag from

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[Music]

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hi I'm Dan pillow I started fighting the

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IRS over 40 years ago when they tried to

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seize my mother's house I sued the IRS

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and won I beat the IRS then and I've

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been beating them ever since I wrote the

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book on tax debt settlement and I've

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helped thousands of people deal with tax

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problems that they thought might never

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para casts Nick Redfern talking about

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his book the black diary also assuring

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us there will be not twenty versions of

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it they're not going to jump the shark

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which is the other term where you have a

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TV series as outlived its usefulness

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that's like happy days where Fonzie

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jumped the shark and that becomes the

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phrase now I wanted to ask you something

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that's part of the title of the black

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diary dangerous books in what respect

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some hand comes out of the book and

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grabs you by the neck

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what if you look at the whole UFO

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subject you know there are numerous

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aspects to it you've got everything from

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abductions contact cases crashed UFOs

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crop circles

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you name it you know there are numerous

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avenues when you're delving into the

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whole UFO subject but one of the really

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weird things that I found is that when

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you investigate things like the men in

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black the black-eyed children the women

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in black and other aspects which seem to

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be connected life be what's their

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character known as the Hat man and the

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shadow people there are a lot of cases

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or examples

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should say and I know this sounds really

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what I'm gonna say no sounds really

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weird but there are a lot of people who

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say when they've been reading books on

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things like the men in black women black

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black eye kids strange things have

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happened to them while they've been

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reading the books or after they finish

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reading them give you one example of how

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this phenomenon sort of impacts in that

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way in the new book I've got probably

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five or six cases where people were read

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in books you know particularly on the

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black-eyed children-- and they started

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to get really weird and repetitive

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electrical problems in the home things

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were suddenly short out light bulbs

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explode in things like this all over the

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course of several days and if it was

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just one person you know which just just

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put it down to like a electrical surge

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or whatever but the number of people who

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report things like that but not in

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relation to ufology in general but to

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these specific sinister type characters

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and john cale found that as well that

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paper readies mothman book particularly

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against any other books that he wrote

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they reported the same thing david

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Weatherly David wrote a book on the

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black-eyed children and he was sort of

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inundated with emails from people who

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also it experienced the same thing weird

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electrical phenomena going on when

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people were sort of engrossed in reading

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the book that's what I sort of talk

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about now the other aspect of this

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dangerous books angle goes back decades

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I actually got hold of some of grey

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Barker's old correspondence with people

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like Albert bender who was the first guy

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who really kicked off the whole men in

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black mystery in the early 1950s and

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Barker actually wrote to bender and said

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that several people who bought Bender's

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book which was called flying saucers and

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the three men which Barker published

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bark at ol bender that several people

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had sent the book back to him didn't

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care if they got refunded or not but

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they sent the book back because they got

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this creepy vibe from holding it reading

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it

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they kind of fell unclean as if there

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was some sort of creepy vibe to the book

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itself which again is really strange but

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again Behrman this is 50 years ago

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nearly 60 years ago people were still

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reacting in the way they are today with

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some of these books and I've actually

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had several people contact me who read

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mobile and said the same thing that they

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had sort of weird hang-up phone calls in

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the night with like electrical static

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interference which as I'm sure you know

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in the Mothman phenomenon that was

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something that was rife around town in

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Point Pleasant so that's what it sort of

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I mean by that

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dangerous books angle now some people

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might just roll their eyes at that but

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as I said if it was just once I'd ignore

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it if it was twice I probably ignore it

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but when you talk about 14 or 15 cases

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coming from people like me David

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Weatherly and other people you know and

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then it sort of spirals into people

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reading the books then you begin to

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wonder you know what on earth is going

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on you know I think it's a definitely a

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different sort of selling feature I

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would say you know there are better ways

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to promote and publicize a fork because

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most people who have an experience do do

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roll their eyes at it you know they're

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like this is just you know this is just

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painful imagination or coincidence being

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perceived as something more and in some

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cases you know I don't deny that to be

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the case but I would say the

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highlighting you know not just a book

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but in the title as well something these

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really weird and that he's gonna make

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some people roll their eyes really isn't

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a good way to sell books but it is the

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honest story of what happened you know

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and I felt the onus and the

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responsibility was on my part to say

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yeah this is what happened if you don't

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like it and he turns you off the book

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well there's nothing I can do about it

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my job write about the men in black

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would be much easier if the men in black

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were like in the movies you know from

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some government agency but it's

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you know they're not there's something

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much much stranger but it doesn't help

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my case to really highlight this really

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weird high strangeness because it does

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put a lot of people off they just want

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the black and white nuts and bolts down

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to a good old nineteen fifties and

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sixties ufology you know Donald Kehoe

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and all that kind of stuff okay but they

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attack me when I bring that up they say

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oh that Steinberg guy is stuck in the

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50s and I say well move on but I also

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get people waste your the way around you

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know I actually do you know believe in a

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lot of these weird concepts and things

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that are going on but then I have people

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who say to me well you know you should

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ignore all that we should just need to

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be focusing on nuts and bolts UFOs you

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know you get me from both sides really

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but you know all I can do is sort of

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tell people what the witness is tell me

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all I can say there's a significant

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number of people who've read books on

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many black women in black like I kid

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shadow people that happen who are

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getting weird things happen to them in

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the home in the immediate aftermath i

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guess you take it or you don't take you

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know well this wasn't just with people

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who are reading your books or other

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people this according to your

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introduction which I found really

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interesting it's happened to you to

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quote from your introduction you say

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when you immerse yourself in and write

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about the realms of the unknown the

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things that inhabit those realms are

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quickly driven to intrude upon your

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personal space or as Alexandra Lee

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Coquille based character in the 2002

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b-movie version of the Mothman

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Prophecies

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said when you notice these things they

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notice that you notice them and I think

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that's really interesting and want to

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hear some more about some of your

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experiences the books called the black

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diary because unlike my other man in

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black books this one is sort of written

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like a first-person journal you know it

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is like reading Redferns journal part of

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the reason I wanted to write it like

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that was purely for this very reason you

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just mentioned because I became part of

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the story and in the same way with the

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Mothman

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this is you know john cale went to Point

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Pleasant to investigate the Mothman

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phenomenon and then he found himself in

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sort of the midst of this high

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strangeness this weirdness in Point

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Pleasant and he started to get the hang

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up phone calls

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Nick gene and Randall you're in the para

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over a suspect in custody this all

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started as a domestic dispute well he

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jumped out of his car he looked like he

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was he was shooting witnesses saying the

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suspects jumped out of a car and traded

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gunfire with police it sounded like they

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were shooting rate of return fire

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the FBI rate of his lawyer Michael

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confiscated by the feds and one is a

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reported recording cohen makes while he

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talks to President Trump about a

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potential payment to a woman now the

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president tweeting inconceivable that

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the government would break into a

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lawyer's office early in the morning

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almost unheard of even more

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inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a

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with a sore neck maybe a headache or

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feel like I needed a nap even though I

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slept eight hours when I invented my

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the patented fill to give you the exact

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bed it's about how much of that quality

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sleep we get I do all of my own

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio fascinating tales from

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the black diary with Nick Redfern Venice

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precedes her okay well the book itself

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the starting to sort of 2014 which is

625
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where my last MIB book left off and many

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goes right through to the early part of

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this year now in 2014 I had another one

628
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of my earlier men in black books had

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called stunningly men in black yes

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that's a surprising title that book came

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out in 2014

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well when I was putting together the the

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final edit of the word document I mean

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when I say that it was like the final

635
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part of it it was I mean literally I was

636
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surprised I think was a Friday morning I

637
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remember was a sunny day anyway in the

638
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book but basically I was sat at the

639
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laptop and I was reading the final edit

640
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of the word document before he goes to

641
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the editor then they turn into PDF and

642
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converted into the book etc and just as

643
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literally seconds after I hit the Save

644
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button shut it down there was like a

645
00:28:35,299 --> 00:28:33,870
thump coming from one of the rooms in my

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apartment and it's not a big apartment

647
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so it didn't take me long to find out

648
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what had happened what had happened is

649
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I've got a lot of pictures and artwork

650
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on the walls of the apartment and in the

651
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bedroom one had fallen off the wall what

652
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had actually fallen off and the glass

653
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had shattered and the the frames was

654
00:28:57,379 --> 00:28:54,539
broke inside to you know get it all

655
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:57,389
cleaned up the piece of artwork was

656
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actually not artwork per se it was a

657
00:29:05,389 --> 00:29:02,940
framed letter written by Albert bender

658
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:05,399
the guy who started off the men in black

659
00:29:11,299 --> 00:29:07,740
mystery in the early 1950s with his own

660
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experiences so I found that kind of odd

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you know I closed down the word document

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to my next MIB book literally two

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00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:18,389
seconds or so after closing it down a

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picture falls off

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the wall which is a letter written by

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Albert bender to a colleague in New

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Zealand in the early nineteen fifties

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that was like just one of many weird

669
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,980
experiences other ones for example

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involve things like getting these

671
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hang-up phone calls in the middle of the

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night and strange static underlines now

673
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of course you know if you get a phone

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call in the 2 or 3 in the morning

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everybody jumps outta bed because you're

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worried it's bad news you know ly

677
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somebody calling you at 3 o'clock that

678
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happens so many times one occasion I got

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to the phone and the number that word

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00:29:59,150 --> 00:29:56,880
was aren't showing on the caller ID was

681
00:30:01,010 --> 00:29:59,160
actually my own phone number you know

682
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:01,020
he's kind of like that old movie that

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are a movie you know that the calls

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coming from inside the house you know

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but things like that happened to a

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really significant degree the more I dug

687
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into it the more weird things in

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00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:17,309
relation to the man in black began to

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00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,400
happen as I said like weird phone calls

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00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:23,520
hang-up calls electrical squeaks and

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00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:26,790
noises on the phone and it also impacted

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00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,630
on my agent Lisa Hagen this impacted on

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00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:33,240
my agent Lisa Hagen as well and Lisa's

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also the publisher of the black dire as

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well as been my agent and roughly round

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about 2014-2015 when a lot of the

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research for the new book was that its

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00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:47,130
height I found that a lot of the

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weirdness that was affected me spilled

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over to my agent Lisa Hagen is also the

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publisher of the black diary as well and

702
00:31:03,110 --> 00:30:58,830
Lisa had a lot of weird stuff going on

703
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:03,120
with her strange voices on the phone one

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00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:07,140
occasion her house is quite isolated and

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00:31:12,530 --> 00:31:09,570
she saw this car come down the driveway

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and literally stopped outside of one of

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her windows and somebody got out and

708
00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:16,260
took a picture and this black car drove

709
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:20,550
off and she had a male tampered with and

710
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:22,530
all sorts of weird stuff going on now

711
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:25,070
that sounds more like you know sort of

712
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:27,750
regular people but somebody you know

713
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:30,020
whether in government's who knows what

714
00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:33,150
this clearly wasn't directly connected

715
00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:33,430
you know

716
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,500
some of the more weirder paranormal

717
00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:37,360
stuff and weird synchronicities we've

718
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:39,340
just been talking about but it did

719
00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:42,130
impact on later you know and and

720
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:46,180
disturbed and so when you find yourself

721
00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:48,340
as I said you know in the in the

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introduction the here be character out

723
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,760
of Mothman Prophecies movie saying you

724
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:56,080
know words of The effect of when you

725
00:32:00,390 --> 00:31:58,810
notice these things they notice you

726
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:00,400
notice them and then they sort of turn

727
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:02,650
the tables on you and so I've seen that

728
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,290
happen so many times and particularly

729
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:07,360
with people you know who've seen the men

730
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:09,580
in black and in many cases they're just

731
00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:13,510
not prepared you know for what happened

732
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:15,880
I mean I had so much weird stuff

733
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:18,670
happened to me which I never ever

734
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:20,200
happened before

735
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:23,860
like bouts of sleep paralysis and images

736
00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:26,820
of like dark cloak things in the bedroom

737
00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:29,560
looming over the bed there was one

738
00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:31,900
occasion again at the height of all this

739
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:34,840
research when I was sort of liking the

740
00:32:41,550 --> 00:32:38,650
throes of sleep paralysis and saw this

741
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:41,560
sort of black cloak woman and she kind

742
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:44,230
of just in this deep gravelly voice said

743
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:47,650
just say I scare me said I can help you

744
00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:51,010
just say yes and I know in even in this

745
00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:53,560
sort of altered state if I said yes it

746
00:32:57,780 --> 00:32:55,720
would be the worst thing I could do yeah

747
00:33:00,960 --> 00:32:57,790
I'm like it was almost like inviting

748
00:33:03,450 --> 00:33:00,970
something through now very often you

749
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:03,460
know sleep paralysis is caused by stress

750
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:05,950
and anxiety and things like that and but

751
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:08,110
I do think it has an external component

752
00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:10,510
to it but you know I'm one of those

753
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:14,500
laid-back people I know and you know and

754
00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:17,380
but it all came to a head at the again

755
00:33:23,010 --> 00:33:19,660
you know when all this strangeness was

756
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:23,020
going on and I really did get a rip a

757
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:26,290
couple of months it was almost I can't

758
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:29,620
explain how or why but I did get like a

759
00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:33,010
really weird creepy vibe just being in

760
00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:36,100
the apartment It was as if you know some

761
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:38,800
I sound strange but like it was an

762
00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:42,640
invisible force of some sort here that

763
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:46,870
was like very negative and menacing

764
00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:48,970
and then I started to get things like

765
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:52,180
sudden light bulbs explode in and just

766
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,240
there was twice when I almost got struck

767
00:34:00,720 --> 00:33:58,000
by lightning and in that same time frame

768
00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:00,730
a friend of mine Buffy Clary she did get

769
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:03,160
struck by lightning twice in the same

770
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:06,400
time frame and luckily she wasn't badly

771
00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:08,290
hurt but she was hurt enough to have to

772
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:09,730
go to the emergency room because she

773
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:14,010
felt by all tingly and a face felt weird

774
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:16,510
you know you put all that together and

775
00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:18,129
it was and what another thing that

776
00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:19,840
happened again

777
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:22,179
in the same time period I went down to

778
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:24,610
the mailbox one day and I actually got

779
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:27,730
attacked by a black bird twice it

780
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:31,000
dive-bomb me twice and that was at the

781
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:32,889
very same time and that was something

782
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:35,560
that really kind of you know made me

783
00:34:40,619 --> 00:34:38,020
think what on earth have I sort of got

784
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:40,629
myself into and all of that I put in the

785
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:45,940
book you know just to demonstrate how an

786
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,210
aspect of ufology or what I perceived as

787
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:51,760
an aspect of hugie turns into something

788
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,129
very much different you know like a real

789
00:35:00,930 --> 00:34:57,520
life or a story almost I wonder how

790
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:00,940
connected it really is with ufology

791
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:02,290
though I mean I wonder if you follow

792
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:04,750
Jesus another manifestation of something

793
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:08,500
that you know in in reality isn't really

794
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:10,660
connected with it but they just use the

795
00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:14,980
phenomena as part of their bag of tricks

796
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:17,350
so to speak yeah I mean that's actually

797
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:18,940
a good point because I think a lot of

798
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:21,610
people you know they assume the UFO

799
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:24,370
phenomenon is just about aliens from

800
00:35:28,590 --> 00:35:26,650
another world coming here and that is

801
00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:28,600
you know and the government's hidden the

802
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:31,660
bodies etc etc and they're here to steal

803
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:36,130
a you know DNA eggs etc abduction

804
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:38,530
scenarios but the more I've sort of

805
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:40,300
looked into it certainly for the last 20

806
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:42,190
years you know that there's no doubt in

807
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:43,830
my mind that there are distinct

808
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:47,230
crossovers between the UFO phenomenon

809
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:49,930
and various aspects of the paranormal

810
00:35:55,710 --> 00:35:52,900
the supernatural and even the occult now

811
00:35:58,020 --> 00:35:55,720
some of the old-school ufologists do not

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is stuck on the good old days we've

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like all that Steinberg

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up with them to the point where now you

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know I'm not even sure we're dealing

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with extraterrestrials you know it could

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be something that sort of

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multi-dimensional that coexists with us

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and you know I think when for example I

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got in the book I think this five or six

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cases they're about where people had

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been visited and threatened by the men

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in black and then hours later they

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claimed that they experienced violent

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poltergeist activity in the home other

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people fell down with serious illness

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after being confronted by them again in

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the room which clearly you know cannot

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happen if it's agents from the FBI or

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the NSA or whatever which I don't

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believe it is at all when you start

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getting into issues like people falling

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sick and poltergeist activity and weird

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synchronicities and getting attacked you

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know by a bird artwork shattering from

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the wall that kind of thing you know

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when you put all that together for me

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ufology is far deeper and much weirder

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than many people not just don't realize

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it is but they prefer it not to be like

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that you know I know some well-known

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ufologist who will not touch this sort

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of supernatural side of things and I

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their minds close to it and they really

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do just what the old days of like

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Roswell and Captain man tell and Betty

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and Barney Hill they don't want the

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weirdest stuff but the fact is it

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weirdest stuff is part of the phenomenon

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and to deny it is actually to deny full

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full-on research from my perspective

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it's important to deal with these

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challenges even if they cause people to

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roll their eyes or turn people away

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that's how he goes you know I'm not

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gonna sort of kind of clean it up for

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the benefit of trying to sell a few more

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books tell it as it is these people are

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turned off by the way decide well that's

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how it goes there's so being thinner yes

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oh babe yeah right let me ask you a

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question kind of dovetail back to what

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we were talking about before that letter

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you had from Albert bender did anyone do

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an interview with bender in his final

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years I mean the guy died in 2016 he was

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nine and four years old pretty good but

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any interviews with him yes the word

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00:44:13,269 --> 00:44:10,039
there's probably there are three or four

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examples which I think you can I think

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it was the interviews on the long John

1015
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Neville show I know he was interviewed

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on several occasions

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yeah I'm not thinking of the early days

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when Flying Saucer

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today I mean something in his last

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year's know what what happened was the

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people who don't know Albert bender was

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the guy really kicked off the hold men

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in black mystery

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he lived in Bridgeport Connecticut and

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he set up this group called the

1026
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International Flying Saucer Bureau and

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really took off massively you know I

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mean he had hundreds and hundreds of

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followers and he suddenly shut it down

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and alluded to how he being told the

1031
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truth a UFO phenomenon and he confided

1032
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in a few friends but he'd been visited

1033
00:44:59,920 --> 00:44:57,559
by these three men dressed in black but

1034
00:45:01,509 --> 00:44:59,930
he didn't explain the full story so

1035
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people assumed they were from the

1036
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government it was only when he wrote in

1037
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62 his book flying saucers and the three

1038
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men that the real weird story came out

1039
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:10,309
where these MIB

1040
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well I shadow people they would sort of

1041
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materialize through the walls and they

1042
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had these shining eyes but they had the

1043
00:45:20,979 --> 00:45:18,079
outline of like a black suit and an

1044
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:20,989
old-style fedora hat and so the whole

1045
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MIB mystery began now after bender

1046
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:27,950
promoted flying saucers in the three

1047
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:30,560
which gray bars are published when

1048
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:32,270
they're actually spacing Lee said you

1049
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,190
know I'm done because he was terrified

1050
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:36,079
because every time he dug into the man

1051
00:45:40,359 --> 00:45:37,849
in black history or the year of our

1052
00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:40,369
mystery after that he would find bad

1053
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:42,500
things would happen to him and so he

1054
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:44,210
really did walk away and he did one

1055
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:47,540
lecture I think in 67 or 68 and that was

1056
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:49,910
it and he completely stayed out of the

1057
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:52,130
subject there until well for the rest of

1058
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:54,320
his life yeah she said he pointed out he

1059
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,430
died at 94 in 2016 in those years he

1060
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:00,880
just had a happy life with his wife

1061
00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:04,450
living not too far from LAX Airport and

1062
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:08,660
he ran the appreciation society for Max

1063
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:10,910
Steiner who was a famous composer and

1064
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:13,310
the people are interested Mac Stein

1065
00:46:18,430 --> 00:46:15,650
actually did this musical score for the

1066
00:46:20,770 --> 00:46:18,440
original King Kong and bender loved

1067
00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:20,780
Steiners music and as I said he ran the

1068
00:46:27,609 --> 00:46:23,420
appreciation society for years decades

1069
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:27,619
and certainly near LAX with his wife and

1070
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:30,020
a proof that getting out of the subject

1071
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:32,390
actually you know didn't hurt him

1072
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:35,180
because he lived to 94 you know you

1073
00:46:40,059 --> 00:46:37,640
can't complain about that well I met him

1074
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:40,069
once I met him when he gave a lecture

1075
00:46:45,099 --> 00:46:42,380
shortly after flying saucers and the

1076
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:45,109
three men came out and that was in New

1077
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:48,230
York City and Jim Mosley and I and other

1078
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:50,359
people listened to him we had dinner

1079
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:53,990
with him and Jim's soon-to-be ex-wife

1080
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,310
Sandra prided herself to be an amateur

1081
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:00,400
psychologist and she started analyzing

1082
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:03,790
bender concluding that he had problems

1083
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:04,970
okay

1084
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:07,940
now I don't know what she meant by that

1085
00:47:12,609 --> 00:47:10,190
or that I know enough about the subject

1086
00:47:15,309 --> 00:47:12,619
to take her seriously but I know that

1087
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:15,319
was the last time I saw bender and the

1088
00:47:19,630 --> 00:47:17,510
other thing is that gray Barker

1089
00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:19,640
published wine saucers in the three men

1090
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:22,460
and I always wondered there how much of

1091
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:25,750
that book did gray bark or shall we say

1092
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:31,130
edit in significant ways well bended did

1093
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,470
actually say that you know the story was

1094
00:47:38,109 --> 00:47:36,319
accurate but Barker definitely did have

1095
00:47:40,750 --> 00:47:38,119
you know significant input because as

1096
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:40,760
you know Barker was very much like a

1097
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:41,870
storyteller

1098
00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:44,450
you know the kind of guy who if it was

1099
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:46,700
like a you know bright sunny day might

1100
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,380
change the story - it was a dark and

1101
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:50,800
stormy night just for effect I think

1102
00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:53,900
Barker today we would sort of draw

1103
00:47:58,330 --> 00:47:55,790
parallels with be know the concept of

1104
00:48:00,340 --> 00:47:58,340
gonzo writing you know at Hunter s

1105
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:00,350
Thompson where you you're telling what

1106
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:02,450
is essentially a true story but it's

1107
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:05,060
kind of gonzo dup you know for the

1108
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,970
benefit of the reader where you kind of

1109
00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:09,440
think it will hang on a minute and

1110
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,840
mature this is exactly the truth and how

1111
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:14,000
much is you know bending the truth for

1112
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:15,710
entertainment I don't think there's any

1113
00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:17,810
doubt that was part of that within

1114
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,360
benders book but bender

1115
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:22,160
you know was adamant that he did have

1116
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:24,140
these experiences and he did describe

1117
00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:27,500
them as sort of like semi physical and

1118
00:48:31,090 --> 00:48:29,270
coming through the walls and you know

1119
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:31,100
those following him late at night when

1120
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:33,830
he go to the cinema and you know in

1121
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:36,770
shadowy form again so there's no doubt

1122
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:39,920
he had a lot of weird experiences but

1123
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:43,430
you know when you talked about what did

1124
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:46,280
you say was Jim's wife who was was

1125
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:48,890
trying to analyze him yes Sandra Moseley

1126
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:50,210
yeah okay

1127
00:48:55,630 --> 00:48:52,130
yeah I mean there's no doubt that he was

1128
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,640
an unusual guy I mean he was someone who

1129
00:49:00,070 --> 00:48:58,160
he was heavily into the occult in the

1130
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:00,080
real world not just in you know the

1131
00:49:04,750 --> 00:49:01,910
world of fish and he and he was not like

1132
00:49:06,550 --> 00:49:04,760
a dabbler he actually built in his after

1133
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:06,560
he lived in an attic room in Bridgeport

1134
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:09,920
in his father's house and this is when

1135
00:49:15,010 --> 00:49:13,190
he was about 33 and and he built this

1136
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:15,020
what he called a like a supernatural

1137
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:18,110
altar in the Attic and he was someone

1138
00:49:24,070 --> 00:49:22,550
who was heavily influenced and bi and

1139
00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:24,080
interested in the work of Aleister

1140
00:49:29,590 --> 00:49:27,140
Crowley old star magic you know

1141
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:29,600
conjuring things up and he was also

1142
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:32,240
someone who was by his own admission he

1143
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:34,700
didn't deny this he was a hypochondriac

1144
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:38,330
he had this bizarre kind of fear of

1145
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:41,330
getting cancer and why that was I don't

1146
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:44,180
know so you know he was an unusual guy

1147
00:49:49,210 --> 00:49:46,850
to start with but again by his own

1148
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:49,220
admission he felt that creating this

1149
00:49:54,610 --> 00:49:52,130
supernatural alter and trying to invoke

1150
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:54,620
supernatural entities for a you know a

1151
00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:55,800
particular purpose

1152
00:50:01,820 --> 00:49:58,230
he felt that he kind of opened a doorway

1153
00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:01,830
or a portal if you like to allow these

1154
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:04,950
MIB to come through but then over the

1155
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:08,610
years you know paintless UHN that they

1156
00:50:12,830 --> 00:50:10,290
were from the government and so that's

1157
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,840
when you know the the assumption that

1158
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:14,880
the many black we're from the government

1159
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:17,130
that's how that largely began because

1160
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:19,770
bender wouldn't elaborate and give the

1161
00:50:24,350 --> 00:50:22,170
full story so people just filled the

1162
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,360
blanks in themselves and assumed they

1163
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:26,760
were from the government and had bender

1164
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:30,270
be more forthright to begin with a lot

1165
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:32,070
of people would probably never even have

1166
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,930
thought there was a government angle to

1167
00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:36,060
the gun to the MIB that had just thought

1168
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:39,750
you know it was just a weird aspect of

1169
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:42,210
ufology really I don't have to break in

1170
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:43,890
a moment so I'm just wrap this up now

1171
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:45,930
why the things to consider here is a

1172
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:50,390
fact that in those days the government

1173
00:50:56,330 --> 00:50:54,090
was presumed to have a silence group of

1174
00:50:59,810 --> 00:50:56,340
some sort that kept the secret of the

1175
00:51:01,940 --> 00:50:59,820
saucers and so it was logical with

1176
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:01,950
bender not providing any additional

1177
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:03,810
information to make that assumption

1178
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:06,090
we've got more to come with Nick Redfern

1179
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:11,600
and his book is called for black Diaries

1180
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:14,490
or I was going to say it in my Sean

1181
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:17,940
Connery way the black Diaries and it's a

1182
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:20,010
very lousy imitation Nick sorry about

1183
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:25,310
okaywe he was at least she doesn't thank

1184
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:27,360
you he's very gracious I appreciate that

1185
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:30,420
with Jay Randall Murphy you're in the

1186
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,950
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1195
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1196
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1197
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[Music]

1240
00:54:03,310 --> 00:53:59,589
welcome back to to the para cast the

1241
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:03,320
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1242
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:12,440
now here's Jane Steinberg continuing

1243
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:15,050
with about Albert K bender and that was

1244
00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:16,730
the assumption grey Barker had made that

1245
00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:18,920
probably the government was somehow

1246
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:23,480
involved in managing this thing and we

1247
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:25,910
wonder here what would have happened if

1248
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:29,359
he revealed the full story on the other

1249
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:31,130
hand people might have thought of him as

1250
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:33,320
being just a wacko well they probably

1251
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:35,180
would and a lot of people actually did

1252
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:37,970
and as I said some people even returned

1253
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:40,310
Bender's book back to Barker because

1254
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:41,990
they got this creepy vibe from just

1255
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:44,660
holding it I kind of felt unclean

1256
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:47,240
although there's no doubt that the vast

1257
00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:49,250
majority of the men in black reports are

1258
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:51,590
sort of really weird and tinged with

1259
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,380
paranormal overtones there's no doubt in

1260
00:54:59,640 --> 00:54:56,720
my mind that there are two groups of MIB

1261
00:55:03,490 --> 00:54:59,650
there are the weirder MIB which which

1262
00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:03,500
account for the vast majority but you

1263
00:55:07,540 --> 00:55:04,790
know back in the 50s and 60s

1264
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:07,550
particularly the guys did wear black

1265
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:10,130
suits you know black ties and fedoras

1266
00:55:15,609 --> 00:55:13,010
they did dress like that and there are

1267
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:15,619
examples where we know back then the you

1268
00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:17,540
know certain paper in ufology were watch

1269
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:20,150
closely I mean the FBI's Declassified it

1270
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:22,010
spoils on some when the reads read

1271
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:24,890
eleven of the early contactees now so

1272
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:27,440
you know I think there is this other

1273
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:29,390
aspect of the men in black mystery and

1274
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,490
that is when you know they were visited

1275
00:55:36,339 --> 00:55:33,920
by people from governments wearing a

1276
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,349
black suit and a black fedora and they

1277
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:38,480
became part of the legend but they

1278
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:41,359
weren't the men in black they have there

1279
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:42,830
were men who just happened to be dressed

1280
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,570
in black suits and fedoras because that

1281
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,400
was the style you know so you have this

1282
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:49,760
distinct difference between people in

1283
00:55:54,579 --> 00:55:52,070
the government who may have wanted to

1284
00:55:56,290 --> 00:55:54,589
you know tell people or warned them not

1285
00:55:58,599 --> 00:55:56,300
to talk about something that happened to

1286
00:56:01,240 --> 00:55:58,609
them and it becomes part of the growing

1287
00:56:03,010 --> 00:56:01,250
banding black mystery but when you look

1288
00:56:05,950 --> 00:56:03,020
at it you can see there are clearly two

1289
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,960
sides to it it's not just this or that

1290
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:08,240
although as I said the paranormal side

1291
00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:11,810
does seem to be far more significant in

1292
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:13,550
terms of numbers than the government

1293
00:56:20,140 --> 00:56:17,330
side yeah we absolutely know that the US

1294
00:56:23,070 --> 00:56:20,150
Air Force was keeping tabs on UFO

1295
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:23,080
organizations there's a memo from 1958

1296
00:56:30,099 --> 00:56:26,960
from Colonel Leonard Teague Glasser who

1297
00:56:32,829 --> 00:56:30,109
says that they've got 49 UFO

1298
00:56:36,550 --> 00:56:32,839
organizations here it mentions them in

1299
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:36,560
this memo and they're paying particular

1300
00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:39,650
attention to Kehoe and repelled and as

1301
00:56:45,099 --> 00:56:42,470
you say they definitely dressed the FBI

1302
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,109
style of the time but this brings up a

1303
00:56:49,329 --> 00:56:47,119
really interesting point then if we've

1304
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:49,339
got this other side to the whole

1305
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:51,290
phenomena the really weird stuff that

1306
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:54,380
you just simply cannot attribute to some

1307
00:57:00,430 --> 00:56:57,710
sort of mundane governmental agency then

1308
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:00,440
it seems as if the phenomena itself is

1309
00:57:07,329 --> 00:57:04,609
mimicking the people in the government

1310
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:07,339
which I find really kind of bizarre in

1311
00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:10,460
its own way well you are right that is

1312
00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:12,800
what people report you know they what

1313
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,320
typically happens you have a person

1314
00:57:19,870 --> 00:57:17,119
who's seen a UFO and a paranormal

1315
00:57:22,420 --> 00:57:19,880
experience very often you know there's a

1316
00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:22,430
knock on the door late at night and you

1317
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:24,380
know the door knocks at 11 o'clock he

1318
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:25,849
looked through the spy hole there's two

1319
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:28,520
or three creepy guys in black fedoras

1320
00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:29,990
and black suits you probably not you

1321
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:32,750
know open the door but weirdly people do

1322
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:35,210
and with hindsight they've said they

1323
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:36,980
felt that almost like their mind was

1324
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:39,920
being controlled or impelled to open the

1325
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:41,450
door and invite them in and of course

1326
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:44,030
this issue of in many cases they're men

1327
00:57:48,070 --> 00:57:46,609
in black demanding to be invited in kind

1328
00:57:49,630 --> 00:57:48,080
of ties in with the old legends of

1329
00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:49,640
vampires you know where they have to be

1330
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:52,220
invited into the home for the first time

1331
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:54,320
if you know the kind of kind of crossed

1332
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:55,609
the threshold would be they're being

1333
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:57,650
invited a lot of cases like that with

1334
00:58:01,390 --> 00:57:59,450
the men in black then when they're in

1335
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,400
when they're in the house then they

1336
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:03,680
start you know with the threat you won't

1337
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:06,710
talk about this etc etc and the people

1338
00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:08,270
very often just sit there on the couch

1339
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:11,240
staring at them in a state of fear but

1340
00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:14,060
also feeling a little bit as if they're

1341
00:58:18,609 --> 00:58:17,060
being drugged you know and things didn't

1342
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:18,619
seem quite right it was almost like a

1343
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dreamlike expiry

1344
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:23,060
Saurus one witness described it with

1345
00:58:26,859 --> 00:58:24,770
hindsight you know having watched the

1346
00:58:29,859 --> 00:58:26,869
movie described as something like a kin

1347
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,869
to the matrix you know where am I

1348
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:31,760
actually really awake or is this some

1349
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:34,550
sort of sophisticated hologram kind of

1350
00:58:39,730 --> 00:58:37,490
situation but but yeah they typically

1351
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,740
even today people describe them when

1352
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:41,599
they come into the house is wearing sort

1353
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,910
of a an old black suit or white shirt

1354
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:46,640
the skinny black tie and they still wear

1355
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,550
these black fedoras now some of the

1356
00:58:53,890 --> 00:58:50,720
witnesses have said they have the

1357
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:53,900
fedoras I'm pulled down really low they

1358
00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:55,280
can barely see their eyes and they've

1359
00:59:00,880 --> 00:58:57,820
got wraparound sunglasses on and

1360
00:59:03,339 --> 00:59:00,890
sometimes wearing what a clearly long

1361
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,349
wig we're not long but wigs long enough

1362
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:04,880
to sort of cover their ears and parts of

1363
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,570
the face as if the the fedora the

1364
00:59:13,690 --> 00:59:10,480
sunglasses and the wig he's actually

1365
00:59:15,070 --> 00:59:13,700
masking a face that had the you know if

1366
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:15,080
the Hat was removed if the glass is

1367
00:59:18,910 --> 00:59:17,630
removed and the wig they might not look

1368
00:59:20,770 --> 00:59:18,920
entirely human

1369
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:20,780
that's one of the theories as to why

1370
00:59:25,089 --> 00:59:23,210
they do dress like that because he's act

1371
00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:25,099
as a bit of camouflage and some of the

1372
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:27,020
witnesses have said when they were

1373
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:29,390
standing close to the man in black they

1374
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:31,010
could actually vaguely say you know a

1375
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:32,480
little bit through the glasses and said

1376
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,970
their eyes were like really large one of

1377
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the witnesses said low thyroid eyes you

1378
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,140
know when I bowled if you have a thyroid

1379
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condition and very often this is gets

1380
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:44,150
really strange the men in black are

1381
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:46,580
described as having like pale or

1382
00:59:52,089 --> 00:59:48,890
sometimes pinkish like makeup and

1383
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:52,099
lipstick on as if their regular skin

1384
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:54,260
color isn't like ours and they're trying

1385
01:00:00,010 --> 00:59:57,710
to blend in which is really strange you

1386
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know the sort of stuff you just couldn't

1387
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make up and but it's just everyday

1388
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regular people saying yeah I didn't want

1389
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to talk about it but I saw this I was

1390
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:11,210
visited by this creepy guy after saw a

1391
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UFO oh yeah what was he like we had like

1392
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this weird face paint on you know face

1393
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:19,640
makeup and a strange wig and he told me

1394
01:00:23,859 --> 01:00:21,470
not to talk about this or that and then

1395
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:23,869
left you know there are so many cases

1396
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like that which is just just so surreal

1397
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you know what about yourself now you

1398
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you've written about them and you've got

1399
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lots of witnesses

1400
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but did you run into them yourself when

1401
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you were writing your books well yeah

1402
01:00:43,090 --> 01:00:41,060
actually this one occasion it's only

1403
01:00:45,609 --> 01:00:43,100
ever happened to me on one occasion and

1404
01:00:47,710 --> 01:00:45,619
he actually was one of these situations

1405
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:47,720
where people always said to me you know

1406
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:49,220
if you actually saw it one of the men in

1407
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:51,530
black what would you do well I'd say you

1408
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:53,990
know I erase it up too and demand to

1409
01:00:58,210 --> 01:00:54,650
know who they were

1410
01:01:00,100 --> 01:00:58,220
etc etc etc and I kind of did what

1411
01:01:02,830 --> 01:01:00,110
everybody else does it just sort of

1412
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stood there and stood you know kind of

1413
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:04,520
you watching a car accident your mind

1414
01:01:09,490 --> 01:01:07,369
just kind of goes into a weird mode and

1415
01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:09,500
you don't think like you would normally

1416
01:01:14,050 --> 01:01:11,630
think but what happened and again this

1417
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is a really weird story and but it's

1418
01:01:17,290 --> 01:01:16,220
also you know sort of expounded on in

1419
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:17,300
the book but I'll give you a summary

1420
01:01:22,590 --> 01:01:20,390
this was in towards the end of 2016

1421
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and I was writing an article for

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mysterious universe which is an

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Australian website that I regula for and

1424
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I wrote an article on how a number of

1425
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people that had weed experiences after

1426
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watching the late-1960s movie Rosemary's

1427
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Baby which is part of this baby sort of

1428
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a devil worship you know this demonic

1429
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baby which I'm sure everybody's heard of

1430
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:48,170
at the Rosemary's Baby they haven't read

1431
01:01:52,450 --> 01:01:50,600
the book or watch the movie I've

1432
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:52,460
actually got several cases in the book

1433
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where people had seen or been visited by

1434
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the men in black after either reading

1435
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the novel or in some cases having

1436
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watched the movie now one of the people

1437
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who I interviewed was the guy named

1438
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Peter Beckman and Peter is a voiceover

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actor you've been looking about ba CK ma

1440
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n Peter is a voiceover actor he does a

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lot of voiceovers for cartoons and kid

1442
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shows and he's about 70 now and back in

1443
01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:22,100
the 1960s he and a friend were listening

1444
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to the soundtrack to Rosemary's Baby and

1445
01:02:29,010 --> 01:02:27,230
there was this sudden knock at the door

1446
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late at night and there were these two

1447
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:32,990
very strange almost ghoulish guys in

1448
01:02:36,510 --> 01:02:35,210
black and then things went really weird

1449
01:02:38,890 --> 01:02:36,520
where they couldn't fully remember

1450
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exactly what had happened only that

1451
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they'd found a way to get into the house

1452
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and then everything became kind of

1453
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blurry

1454
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there were several cases like that that

1455
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I talked about in the

1456
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tickle and that the night of writing the

1457
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article I watched the movie again

1458
01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:52,520
because I just wanted to sort of refresh

1459
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:54,230
myself about all the different aspects

1460
01:03:00,670 --> 01:02:57,110
in the movie the next morning I got up

1461
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:00,680
and looked at the window as I swear and

1462
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:03,260
this is no word of a lie there was a guy

1463
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I live on his second floor apartment

1464
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there was this old guy with a dark suit

1465
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and a dark fedora which had a oddly had

1466
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a white band around it shuffling along

1467
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in a really weird walking fashion he was

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sort of shuffling and you imagine if you

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got a pet dog you know and you you sit

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the dog up and he's and these front

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limbs kind of like hang limp his hands

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were like that and I just stood there I

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was like frozen you know who mouth wide

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open looking stupid probably and I just

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I grabbed my camera and matching it one

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before the break I got up looked at the

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Saturday morning and there was this guy

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in a black suit that's so dark hat old

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sort of looking emaciated

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kind of reminded me a little bit

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remember in the second poltergeist movie

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where you've got this creepy character

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who's looked just like a man in black

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yeah yeah yeah well he kind of ironed

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that and I just stood there for a second

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you know just mouth wide open looking

1606
01:09:25,959 --> 01:09:22,489
stupid as I said I'm sure and I raced to

1607
01:09:29,019 --> 01:09:25,969
get my camera took a picture and race

1608
01:09:32,410 --> 01:09:29,029
back then to get some shoes and clothes

1609
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,420
on race down the steps and he wasn't in

1610
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:35,600
sight and then I had a door slam and

1611
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:38,960
about 30 or 40 feet down where the next

1612
01:09:44,019 --> 01:09:41,359
block to mine is he was getting in a car

1613
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:44,029
with three other people now it wasn't a

1614
01:09:49,689 --> 01:09:46,810
black car you know any black usually

1615
01:09:52,419 --> 01:09:49,699
driving some people said well maybe it

1616
01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:52,429
was just an old guy in a black suit and

1617
01:09:57,790 --> 01:09:54,620
a black fedora walking right past your

1618
01:10:00,970 --> 01:09:57,800
window just as you opened the wind at

1619
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:00,980
the blinds and right after you've been

1620
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:04,310
talking about writing about how people

1621
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:06,890
sort of delved into Rosemary's Baby at

1622
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:08,810
MIB encounters and I read the article

1623
01:10:14,050 --> 01:10:11,090
the night before and watch the movie the

1624
01:10:16,540 --> 01:10:14,060
night before now yes that could all

1625
01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:16,550
still be just a really really bizarre

1626
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:19,190
coincidence but I've lived in these

1627
01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:24,050
apartments for six years now and that

1628
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:27,200
man has not been there before or since

1629
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:29,450
he's not a resident has never been

1630
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,490
resident you know you get to know all

1631
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,920
the faces you know this was like 8:30 in

1632
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:35,840
the morning just walking past my window

1633
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:38,960
on a hot summer's day in Dallas yeah I

1634
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:40,730
mean it was not summer but it was a hot

1635
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:41,930
day

1636
01:10:45,850 --> 01:10:43,850
he's like October was still a blistering

1637
01:10:49,330 --> 01:10:45,860
hot day as idiot hot in his in Dallas

1638
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:49,340
and I said I got one picture doesn't

1639
01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:50,360
prove anything

1640
01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:53,300
but if if it you know either

1641
01:10:58,750 --> 01:10:56,120
it was all connected all it was one of

1642
01:11:01,960 --> 01:10:58,760
the most bizarre coincidences I've ever

1643
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:01,970
had you know and you can take it either

1644
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:04,370
way and you know I'm not offended if

1645
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:06,860
people think you know it's that I'm

1646
01:11:13,450 --> 01:11:10,310
making more out of it than than I am but

1647
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:13,460
or that I should but that's what

1648
01:11:16,990 --> 01:11:15,290
happened you know and that is how it

1649
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:17,000
happened and the timeframe and it was

1650
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:20,650
just they were just so weird you know I

1651
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,090
think that's a pretty interesting story

1652
01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:26,000
it seems like even if you can't

1653
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:28,160
necessarily attribute some of these

1654
01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:30,890
things to the paranormal it does seem to

1655
01:11:37,870 --> 01:11:34,420
be that there's an increase in

1656
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,880
coincidences that you know people might

1657
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:39,520
want to think of as synchronistic but

1658
01:11:45,190 --> 01:11:41,870
I've certainly experienced that type of

1659
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:45,200
thing myself so being an experiencer I

1660
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:46,790
started I wouldn't write it off

1661
01:11:51,550 --> 01:11:49,520
altogether that's for sure yeah and I

1662
01:11:53,410 --> 01:11:51,560
think that's an important thing but the

1663
01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:53,420
more you delve into these type of things

1664
01:11:57,850 --> 01:11:55,820
the more things happen in your life that

1665
01:12:00,280 --> 01:11:57,860
are relevant to these issues and I don't

1666
01:12:02,230 --> 01:12:00,290
think it's just you know looking for

1667
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:02,240
things I mean again at this during the

1668
01:12:08,890 --> 01:12:04,970
same timeframe I started to get a lot of

1669
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:08,900
really weird 11:11 issues happen which a

1670
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,450
lot of people you know get these 11:11

1671
01:12:16,150 --> 01:12:13,520
things they look at the watch 11:11 you

1672
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:16,160
know something happens at 11:11 just and

1673
01:12:21,069 --> 01:12:18,260
they're randomly you know people

1674
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:21,079
entire books on the 11:11 phenomenon and

1675
01:12:27,549 --> 01:12:24,050
I got so many of these in that period it

1676
01:12:29,770 --> 01:12:27,559
almost made me feel that you know are we

1677
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,780
in some sort of bizarre matrix type

1678
01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:32,000
world you know where things are just

1679
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:35,150
being programmed just to mess with your

1680
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,690
mind or whatever like Bishop sort of

1681
01:12:44,410 --> 01:12:40,960
co-creation thing maybe extends beyond

1682
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,420
UFOs and right into the paranormal where

1683
01:12:49,839 --> 01:12:46,880
when we start thinking about them and

1684
01:12:51,609 --> 01:12:49,849
concentrating on them then somehow they

1685
01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:51,619
tend to manifest themselves into our

1686
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:54,980
reality well that was one of the reasons

1687
01:12:59,589 --> 01:12:57,739
why john cale often warned people not to

1688
01:13:02,560 --> 01:12:59,599
get involved in these phenomena because

1689
01:13:05,799 --> 01:13:02,570
you know for me it was fascinating and

1690
01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:05,809
weird and and I wrote about it but I

1691
01:13:11,020 --> 01:13:08,750
have some friends who no disrespect to

1692
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:11,030
them kind of experience the same things

1693
01:13:18,759 --> 01:13:14,719
as me but it became very dark for them a

1694
01:13:20,649 --> 01:13:18,769
you know paranoia set in fear you know

1695
01:13:23,379 --> 01:13:20,659
literally peeking through the doorways

1696
01:13:25,629 --> 01:13:23,389
and you know the curtains and that's not

1697
01:13:27,790 --> 01:13:25,639
sort of my character you know people

1698
01:13:30,009 --> 01:13:27,800
want to take me on I'll take them on but

1699
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:30,019
I think people a bit of a weak character

1700
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:33,409
you know not too sure of themselves or

1701
01:13:38,529 --> 01:13:35,449
you know don't have that sort of sense

1702
01:13:40,419 --> 01:13:38,539
of self assurance I think it's easy for

1703
01:13:42,759 --> 01:13:40,429
whatever these things are to get their

1704
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:42,769
claws and their grips into us and so

1705
01:13:46,779 --> 01:13:45,320
I've seen this happen but it with a man

1706
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:46,789
in black Misha we're friends and

1707
01:13:51,970 --> 01:13:49,400
colleagues have become obsessed with the

1708
01:13:54,009 --> 01:13:51,980
phenomenon the overtakes them it

1709
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:54,019
dominates their mind you know an

1710
01:13:58,750 --> 01:13:56,420
obsession with anything really isn't a

1711
01:14:01,419 --> 01:13:58,760
good thing and that's why as Jean knows

1712
01:14:04,270 --> 01:14:01,429
I'm I'm someone who I enjoy having a

1713
01:14:06,069 --> 01:14:04,280
good social life and I only work 9:00 to

1714
01:14:07,779 --> 01:14:06,079
5:00 Monday to Friday you know I write

1715
01:14:10,540 --> 01:14:07,789
the books 9:00 9:00 to 5:00 Monday to

1716
01:14:13,089 --> 01:14:10,550
Friday five o'clock comes round this

1717
01:14:15,310 --> 01:14:13,099
laptop goes into sleep mode and he stays

1718
01:14:17,529 --> 01:14:15,320
that way till 9:00 the next day I don't

1719
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:17,539
work evenings never work weekends for me

1720
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:20,150
that's for having a good social life and

1721
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:22,369
a good time but I do have friends who

1722
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:24,710
again no disrespect to them who have

1723
01:14:30,370 --> 01:14:27,280
fallen into that trap of becoming

1724
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:30,380
paranoid and obsessed with things like

1725
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,090
the shadow people and the hat

1726
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:34,400
and the men in black to the point where

1727
01:14:39,190 --> 01:14:37,130
you know it gates start to affect their

1728
01:14:41,710 --> 01:14:39,200
lives and their social lives and their

1729
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,720
relationships and that is when you know

1730
01:14:46,060 --> 01:14:44,000
you've gone to that tipping point where

1731
01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:46,070
it become you've gone for having an

1732
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:49,700
interest and fascination to something

1733
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:52,070
which essentially begins to terrorize

1734
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:55,130
you well you are without a doubt one of

1735
01:14:59,380 --> 01:14:56,780
the most prolific writers in the

1736
01:15:02,170 --> 01:14:59,390
paranormal that there is so you've found

1737
01:15:04,270 --> 01:15:02,180
a way to turn your interest into all of

1738
01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:04,280
these phenomena what what some people

1739
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:05,390
might even you know if you were to look

1740
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:08,090
at it from another perspective obsession

1741
01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:10,910
with it into a career and you've managed

1742
01:15:16,330 --> 01:15:14,120
to balance it in a way that is positive

1743
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:16,340
for you after you close your laptop do

1744
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:19,010
you get into conversations at the pub

1745
01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:20,510
with people about this stuff or do you

1746
01:15:24,460 --> 01:15:22,520
just leave it all behind no it's usually

1747
01:15:26,710 --> 01:15:24,470
I mean my other big interest is soccer

1748
01:15:29,410 --> 01:15:26,720
so you know I've got a bunch of friends

1749
01:15:31,420 --> 01:15:29,420
here both English and American and you

1750
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,430
know we often go to there's like an

1751
01:15:35,260 --> 01:15:32,960
English themed pub where they play all

1752
01:15:38,650 --> 01:15:35,270
the games so I think I've got like seven

1753
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:38,660
soccer channels on my TV you know I'm

1754
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:41,690
big into soccer and Friday night take a

1755
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:43,850
girlfriend out Saturday you know soccer

1756
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:47,810
game Sunday whatever I have any of your

1757
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:49,160
girlfriends when you've been out with

1758
01:15:51,610 --> 01:15:49,610
them

1759
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:51,620
I witnessed any of this stuff anything

1760
01:15:58,150 --> 01:15:53,150
weird happen when you've been on a date

1761
01:16:00,370 --> 01:15:58,160
when they go away what that not in that

1762
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:00,380
way but you know some of them have

1763
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:02,270
experienced weird stuff but in the same

1764
01:16:05,290 --> 01:16:04,250
way that you you find you know when

1765
01:16:07,630 --> 01:16:05,300
you're around people about these

1766
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:07,640
experiences it kind of sometimes spills

1767
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:09,760
over so that kind of thing has happened

1768
01:16:15,070 --> 01:16:12,470
an old girlfriend of mine I haven't seen

1769
01:16:17,230 --> 01:16:15,080
for a few years now but the same time

1770
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:17,240
that I was getting those 11:11 things

1771
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:19,510
she was getting those at the same time

1772
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:22,850
that's the penalty of associating with

1773
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Nick Redfern got more to come with Nick

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and Randall and Jean here in the para

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talks to President Trump about a

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potential payment to a woman now the

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president tweeting inconceivable that

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the government would break into a

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01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:15,940
help you resolve and reduce your tax

1870
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debt and if you owe more than twenty

1871
01:20:21,870 --> 01:20:19,720
thousand dollars you may be at the top

1872
01:20:24,210 --> 01:20:21,880
of their hit list so don't take your tax

1873
01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:24,220
debt lightly because it will not go away

1874
01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:26,710
on its own the IRS can seize your bank

1875
01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:29,350
accounts your home and even shut down

1876
01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:31,990
your business call our tax experts today

1877
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:35,020
at 1-800 two six one nine eight one

1878
01:20:40,140 --> 01:20:37,870
eight and let us deal with the IRS while

1879
01:20:43,050 --> 01:20:40,150
you focus on your business that's one

1880
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:43,060
eight hundred two six one nine eight one

1881
01:20:51,780 --> 01:20:46,630
eight again 800 two six one nine eight

1882
01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:54,040
this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

1883
01:21:00,910 --> 01:20:56,450
Coalition for freedom of information and

1884
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:00,920
you are listening to the podcast didn't

1885
01:21:05,050 --> 01:21:03,230
mean to say that but have you ever had a

1886
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:05,060
situation since we're talking about a

1887
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:08,050
single man who is still dating

1888
01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:12,110
experience you know where where a woman

1889
01:21:17,890 --> 01:21:15,080
who knows who you are and what you do is

1890
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:17,900
less interested in you or more

1891
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:23,750
interested a lot of my girlfriend's

1892
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:25,370
really I've met through the subject

1893
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,190
anyway over the years I mean so that you

1894
01:21:31,870 --> 01:21:30,560
know that got a pre-existing interest

1895
01:21:33,790 --> 01:21:31,880
because I may have met them at a

1896
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:33,800
conference you know that kind of thing

1897
01:21:38,710 --> 01:21:37,010
but in some cases you guys actually sort

1898
01:21:41,050 --> 01:21:38,720
of freaked them out you know not because

1899
01:21:43,570 --> 01:21:41,060
of the subject because I found they look

1900
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:43,580
at you and think is this guy or not

1901
01:21:50,230 --> 01:21:47,930
no and I think that just comes from that

1902
01:21:53,170 --> 01:21:50,240
image that if you're into the paranormal

1903
01:21:56,170 --> 01:21:53,180
you know you're some you're slightly mad

1904
01:21:59,470 --> 01:21:56,180
and deranged and you don't have a normal

1905
01:22:01,050 --> 01:21:59,480
life for me I like to sort of balance

1906
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:01,060
the two as I said you know I enjoy

1907
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:04,580
getting up at breakfast and then start

1908
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:07,010
work 9:00 to 5:00 on whichever book I'm

1909
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:09,410
doing five o'clock comes around finish

1910
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:12,110
the sentence and I'm done you know till

1911
01:22:14,110 --> 01:22:13,580
9:00 the next day and as I said on a

1912
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:14,120
Friday

1913
01:22:19,390 --> 01:22:16,550
nothing happens were wise and 5 p.m.

1914
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:19,400
Friday or 4 p.m. Friday till 9:00 Monday

1915
01:22:25,170 --> 01:22:22,490
and I just have a regular life and for

1916
01:22:29,050 --> 01:22:25,180
me that works and if I were to do this

1917
01:22:32,350 --> 01:22:29,060
24/7 and investigating everything under

1918
01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:32,360
the Sun I'll be fried I wouldn't be able

1919
01:22:38,890 --> 01:22:34,910
to cope with it and I don't think it's

1920
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:38,900
healthy to just obsess on one thing he

1921
01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:40,250
doesn't matter what it would be you know

1922
01:22:44,770 --> 01:22:42,020
like soccer it would be you know if I

1923
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:44,780
did soccer 24/7 that that wouldn't be

1924
01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:48,050
good people sometimes find it surprising

1925
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:51,980
that you know I do have I say a regular

1926
01:22:55,690 --> 01:22:54,170
life I mean it's not super way out I

1927
01:22:58,930 --> 01:22:55,700
guess it's a little bit different but I

1928
01:23:00,850 --> 01:22:58,940
mean you know it's not like they come

1929
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:00,860
over and I've got like a big cauldron

1930
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:03,230
full of whatever and I'm doing some

1931
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:04,900
witchcraft Sara

1932
01:23:11,230 --> 01:23:09,410
you know well ok wait a minute by the

1933
01:23:14,650 --> 01:23:11,240
way everybody loves a knight there's a

1934
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:14,660
song sung by Johnny Cash this is Johnny

1935
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:17,510
K no everybody loves and not the whole

1936
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:20,930
world loves a weirdo brains are in a rut

1937
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:24,560
but everybody loves a nut I don't mind

1938
01:23:28,180 --> 01:23:26,330
being a bit of a nuts or perceived like

1939
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:28,190
that I mean you know I'd rather do what

1940
01:23:33,670 --> 01:23:31,010
I do then be stuck in some job wearing a

1941
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:33,680
suit and yes no sir all that kind of

1942
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:34,010
stuff

1943
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:36,170
I've got no time for that Society of my

1944
01:23:40,570 --> 01:23:38,810
own thing but in saying that you know I

1945
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:40,580
think there are a lot of perceptions

1946
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:42,860
well I know there are that you know if

1947
01:23:47,470 --> 01:23:45,290
you're into all this stuff maybe we

1948
01:23:49,420 --> 01:23:47,480
should stay away from it but that's

1949
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:49,430
that's just I think that's due in part

1950
01:23:53,650 --> 01:23:51,650
to have particularly like the media

1951
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,660
portrays people who investigate the

1952
01:23:58,270 --> 01:23:56,000
paranormal they're seen as like sad

1953
01:24:01,450 --> 01:23:58,280
people who've got no lives and you know

1954
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:01,460
they're 45 living in you know mom's

1955
01:24:07,210 --> 01:24:04,760
basement and never had a girlfriend the

1956
01:24:10,660 --> 01:24:07,220
best of the very often the image that is

1957
01:24:12,190 --> 01:24:10,670
portrayed of paranormal researchers you

1958
01:24:14,710 --> 01:24:12,200
know they can't make friends or their

1959
01:24:18,250 --> 01:24:14,720
sort of social outcasts which actually

1960
01:24:20,380 --> 01:24:18,260
isn't true you know but for TV it kind

1961
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:20,390
of creates like it entertaining Emmy

1962
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:22,490
right well what was it in the movie

1963
01:24:27,940 --> 01:24:26,450
finding Forrester he says women will

1964
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:27,950
sleep with you even if you write a bad

1965
01:24:39,610 --> 01:24:36,890
book sorry that was a nice film I like

1966
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:39,620
that one yeah that was the Sean Connery

1967
01:24:47,140 --> 01:24:42,800
that's a very memorable line what about

1968
01:24:49,690 --> 01:24:47,150
the idea Nick that you know how say if

1969
01:24:51,610 --> 01:24:49,700
you're uh save I'm not sure if you

1970
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:51,620
driving but if you drive a car and you

1971
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:54,290
had to go car shopping at some point yo

1972
01:24:58,810 --> 01:24:56,570
think oh I want this particular model of

1973
01:25:00,640 --> 01:24:58,820
car now you go to a lot you buy yourself

1974
01:25:02,350 --> 01:25:00,650
that car and you haven't really thought

1975
01:25:05,860 --> 01:25:02,360
about it much before but then all of a

1976
01:25:07,660 --> 01:25:05,870
sudden you start noticing that car

1977
01:25:09,730 --> 01:25:07,670
everywhere you go well I thought I was

1978
01:25:11,650 --> 01:25:09,740
buying a car that was fairly in other

1979
01:25:15,100 --> 01:25:11,660
words maybe the phenomena is really

1980
01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:15,110
around us all the time but we don't pay

1981
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:16,820
attention to it because our mind isn't

1982
01:25:20,620 --> 01:25:17,930
focused on it

1983
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:20,630
and so when we start to focus on it all

1984
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:22,550
of a sudden it becomes apparent to us

1985
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:24,530
you know there's one example there where

1986
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:25,550
that didn't happen

1987
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:27,440
I know what you mean when I get a car

1988
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:29,780
everybody has that car and most of the

1989
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:31,610
times because I get a car that is not

1990
01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:34,250
that uncommon on the other hand I once

1991
01:25:39,130 --> 01:25:36,140
had a car back in the early seventies

1992
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:39,140
and it was years before I saw anybody

1993
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:40,370
else driving one

1994
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,690
it was the mazda rx-3 engine oh my dad

1995
01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:47,360
had one of them oh he did yeah he got

1996
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,400
that and went after it to the RX three

1997
01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:50,960
or something I think it was well the RX

1998
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:52,340
two and three came out about the same

1999
01:25:57,670 --> 01:25:55,520
time in the u.s. there was an RX 4 which

2000
01:25:57,970 --> 01:25:57,680
I really liked but I could never swing

2001
01:26:03,130 --> 01:25:57,980
it

2002
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:03,140
think the RX 3 had the same problem is

2003
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:06,110
that you couldn't be assured that the

2004
01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:10,870
rotor seals would yeah would survive at

2005
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,040
60,000 miles or so this is 1975 I took

2006
01:26:21,190 --> 01:26:18,800
that car with Kurt's subtly a friend of

2007
01:26:25,870 --> 01:26:21,200
mine from Pennsylvania who writes about

2008
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:25,880
UFOs - the 1975 UFO convention in Fort

2009
01:26:29,650 --> 01:26:28,730
Smith Arkansas and we met everybody who

2010
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:29,660
was anybody there

2011
01:26:34,690 --> 01:26:32,450
and by the time I got there when we'd

2012
01:26:37,420 --> 01:26:34,700
start the car in the morning it started

2013
01:26:39,550 --> 01:26:37,430
billowing smoke from the exhaust for the

2014
01:26:41,620 --> 01:26:39,560
first minute or two and it turned out

2015
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:41,630
the engine seals were failing

2016
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:43,970
I got another I think six months out of

2017
01:26:48,130 --> 01:26:45,890
that car before I got rid of it but

2018
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:48,140
we're talking about 60 or 65 thousand

2019
01:26:53,230 --> 01:26:51,170
miles these days a car is barely broken

2020
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:53,240
in by then but I don't think they even

2021
01:26:57,340 --> 01:26:55,610
make those rotary motors for cars

2022
01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:57,350
anymore there's the rx series even

2023
01:27:02,290 --> 01:26:58,310
around anymore

2024
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:02,300
they had a Mazda rx-8 a sports car with

2025
01:27:07,420 --> 01:27:05,060
a tiny rear door which was a sports car

2026
01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:07,430
they are testing versions of the rotary

2027
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:10,100
engine in their factories but they've

2028
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:12,530
never as yet come out with another one

2029
01:27:17,140 --> 01:27:14,810
and the problem with it is is not that

2030
01:27:19,180 --> 01:27:17,150
didn't run well it did ran beautifully

2031
01:27:21,460 --> 01:27:19,190
and a lot of the early reliability

2032
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:21,470
problems are taken care of it had one

2033
01:27:24,670 --> 01:27:24,170
Achilles heel the fuel economy was not

2034
01:27:27,670 --> 01:27:24,680
very good

2035
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:27,680
yeah well that rx - it kind of looked

2036
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:31,130
almost like a cross between a BMW and a

2037
01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:31,730
Toyota

2038
01:27:38,110 --> 01:27:34,390
and it got 18 and 20 miles a gallon

2039
01:27:40,090 --> 01:27:38,120
maximum whereas the cars those days we

2040
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:40,100
get in the earlier mid-20s in terms of

2041
01:27:44,770 --> 01:27:42,650
mileage they've improved it they've had

2042
01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:44,780
turbochargers and all sorts of things as

2043
01:27:50,410 --> 01:27:47,720
of the last time I just don't think it

2044
01:27:52,630 --> 01:27:50,420
ever realized its potential and Mazda

2045
01:27:54,010 --> 01:27:52,640
was the only company to really really

2046
01:27:55,900 --> 01:27:54,020
make it work

2047
01:27:59,320 --> 01:27:55,910
why are we talking about this yeah

2048
01:28:02,050 --> 01:27:59,330
exactly something so Nick back to the

2049
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:02,060
question there what do you think is is

2050
01:28:05,530 --> 01:28:03,890
this something that's all around us all

2051
01:28:08,530 --> 01:28:05,540
the time and people aren't noticing it

2052
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:08,540
and then when they do is so striking to

2053
01:28:13,150 --> 01:28:10,730
them that they just become focused on it

2054
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:13,160
well I think there's two parts to this I

2055
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:15,530
think the one part is that you know you

2056
01:28:20,170 --> 01:28:18,050
do tend to notice something that is

2057
01:28:22,690 --> 01:28:20,180
relevant to you which you may not have

2058
01:28:25,630 --> 01:28:22,700
done before it wasn't really relevant to

2059
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:25,640
you like a car and that's just due to

2060
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:27,410
the fact that you just happen to notice

2061
01:28:32,290 --> 01:28:29,600
it because the same as yours well I do

2062
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:32,300
think there are occasions when the

2063
01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:35,210
summer the paranormal does seem to get

2064
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:37,640
it to grips on into you when you start

2065
01:28:41,770 --> 01:28:39,590
noticing it as you know we mentioned

2066
01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:41,780
with the Mothman Prophecies I mean I

2067
01:28:47,290 --> 01:28:45,350
have a a Ford Taurus a white Ford Taurus

2068
01:28:49,810 --> 01:28:47,300
and you know I always notice a fourth

2069
01:28:50,980 --> 01:28:49,820
white Ford Taurus and I say one and I

2070
01:28:52,780 --> 01:28:50,990
think that's not there's nothing

2071
01:28:55,060 --> 01:28:52,790
Supernatural about that it's just that's

2072
01:28:58,050 --> 01:28:55,070
normal but I think there is this other

2073
01:29:00,640 --> 01:28:58,060
side to it where there really is like a

2074
01:29:02,650 --> 01:29:00,650
like a like a it's almost like an alarm

2075
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:02,660
goes off when somebody starts

2076
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:04,640
investigating these things or

2077
01:29:10,060 --> 01:29:07,370
experiences them and then the alarm goes

2078
01:29:12,430 --> 01:29:10,070
off and the phenomenon itself targets

2079
01:29:14,380 --> 01:29:12,440
them I don't know how or why or what the

2080
01:29:17,470 --> 01:29:14,390
circumstances are what these phenomena

2081
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:17,480
actually really are but I've seen that

2082
01:29:21,850 --> 01:29:19,970
happen so many times not just with other

2083
01:29:24,370 --> 01:29:21,860
people but it's happened to me you know

2084
01:29:26,290 --> 01:29:24,380
when all this weird stuff went on but

2085
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:26,300
you know it is almost as if when you

2086
01:29:33,010 --> 01:29:28,610
think about it it becomes part of the

2087
01:29:34,930 --> 01:29:33,020
reality yeah I'm a UFO guy so I I see

2088
01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:34,940
everything in terms of ufology

2089
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:38,300
and I wonder well could that possibly

2090
01:29:43,690 --> 01:29:41,210
explain it I mean if UFOs represent a

2091
01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:43,700
highly advanced technology that has the

2092
01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:45,460
ability to make themselves invisible

2093
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:47,620
control gravity and know what people are

2094
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:49,150
thinking then they could make themselves

2095
01:29:53,010 --> 01:29:50,880
appear to be whatever they want

2096
01:29:55,230 --> 01:29:53,020
including the things that conform to our

2097
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:55,240
cultural conditioning including these

2098
01:29:59,940 --> 01:29:57,310
ideas about demons spirits shaped

2099
01:30:01,800 --> 01:29:59,950
shapeshifters cryptids and pretty much

2100
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:01,810
any kind of paranormal phenomena you

2101
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:04,930
want why couldn't it still be some sort

2102
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:08,710
of strange alien social experiment

2103
01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:11,350
that's going on well I mean I mean I

2104
01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:13,030
actually agree with you on a lot of that

2105
01:30:17,970 --> 01:30:16,150
I mean there's no doubt and over the

2106
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:17,980
years and the decades you know the UFO

2107
01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:20,320
phenomenon has changed and in many

2108
01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:22,720
respects is changed to reflect you know

2109
01:30:28,110 --> 01:30:25,390
the technology and the times I mean I

2110
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:28,120
mean we're going to break Nick

2111
01:30:42,049 --> 01:30:39,130
Randall gene you're in the para cast you

2112
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are listening to GPA

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2200
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2201
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Nick when we look at the UFO phenomenon

2202
01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:26,719
today you know it's clearly changed and

2203
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:29,080
in many respects you know parallels

2204
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:32,000
technology in some ways for example you

2205
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:34,489
go back to the latter part of the 1800s

2206
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,520
we had the the phantom airship waves

2207
01:35:41,380 --> 01:35:39,920
well you know this is when we had

2208
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airships and balloons you know we're

2209
01:35:46,810 --> 01:35:45,170
coming into both so to speak you know in

2210
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:46,820
the Second World War there were the Foo

2211
01:35:51,490 --> 01:35:48,890
Fighters then there were the ghost

2212
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:51,500
rockets then there were flying saucers

2213
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:53,810
today there's black triangles the black

2214
01:35:57,939 --> 01:35:55,489
triangles you know kind of look like a

2215
01:35:59,920 --> 01:35:57,949
next generation stealth aircraft the

2216
01:36:05,140 --> 01:35:59,930
ghost rockets in some respect you know

2217
01:36:07,540 --> 01:36:05,150
mimicking the sci-fi of that era the the

2218
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:07,550
entities themselves have gone from you

2219
01:36:10,590 --> 01:36:09,170
know the days of Betty and Barney Hill

2220
01:36:14,590 --> 01:36:10,600
to the full-on

2221
01:36:16,630 --> 01:36:14,600
bug-eyed black-eyed Gray's you know

2222
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:16,640
there's the reptilians and then there

2223
01:36:20,590 --> 01:36:18,710
was the space brothers the space

2224
01:36:23,229 --> 01:36:20,600
brothers came from Mars and Venus and

2225
01:36:24,220 --> 01:36:23,239
then when we found out that that's most

2226
01:36:25,689 --> 01:36:24,230
unlikely

2227
01:36:28,150 --> 01:36:25,699
you know they turn out to be from other

2228
01:36:30,189 --> 01:36:28,160
star system it's almost as if the

2229
01:36:33,490 --> 01:36:30,199
intelligence behind the phenomenon is

2230
01:36:35,620 --> 01:36:33,500
toying with us and manifested in ways

2231
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:35,630
that are applicable to the people of a

2232
01:36:40,450 --> 01:36:38,719
specific area now when you mentioned

2233
01:36:44,830 --> 01:36:40,460
like Bigfoot and things like these

2234
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:44,840
cryptids and demons you can look at all

2235
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:46,730
of these different phenomena which seem

2236
01:36:52,900 --> 01:36:50,449
to be very different and separate but

2237
01:36:54,820 --> 01:36:52,910
you can find a lot of crossovers in

2238
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:54,830
location where there's been big forth

2239
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:57,290
activity there's been UFO activity

2240
01:37:03,010 --> 01:37:00,320
some of the aspects in banning black

2241
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:03,020
mysteries relate to sort of demonology

2242
01:37:07,379 --> 01:37:04,510
you know like the idea

2243
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:07,389
people fall in sick china manifest

2244
01:37:13,290 --> 01:37:11,199
entities like Albert bender did and but

2245
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:13,300
having runs of bad luck and all this

2246
01:37:19,129 --> 01:37:16,480
kind of stuff I sometimes wonder if the

2247
01:37:21,270 --> 01:37:19,139
phenomenon itself really does kind of

2248
01:37:23,549 --> 01:37:21,280
manifest in different ways for different

2249
01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:23,559
people so in other words perhaps the

2250
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:26,289
incidents or the event in some respect

2251
01:37:32,910 --> 01:37:29,440
is almost sort of matrix like you know

2252
01:37:35,339 --> 01:37:32,920
where you're seeing something but if it

2253
01:37:37,799 --> 01:37:35,349
was to manifest for somebody else 200

2254
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,809
years ago they might see a goblin or a

2255
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:39,760
fairy somebody in the woods sees a

2256
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:42,250
Bigfoot somebody driving home late at

2257
01:37:47,819 --> 01:37:45,130
night sees a bug-eyed alien maybe you

2258
01:37:50,490 --> 01:37:47,829
know the phenomenon has this ability to

2259
01:37:52,859 --> 01:37:50,500
sort of say either take on the form of

2260
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:52,869
something else or to project in your

2261
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:55,840
mind the image of something you seem not

2262
01:38:00,509 --> 01:37:58,719
realizing that it's actually not genuine

2263
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:00,519
and I think you know if you look at some

2264
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:02,610
of these cases there's the distinct

2265
01:38:07,709 --> 01:38:05,050
aspect wait does seem like it could be

2266
01:38:09,540 --> 01:38:07,719
like a social experiment classic example

2267
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:09,550
of this would be if you go back to the

2268
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:12,880
1950s there were so many cases of people

2269
01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:15,250
driving along roads or walking through

2270
01:38:20,430 --> 01:38:17,710
the fields and they would see aliens

2271
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,440
taking soil samples the so many cases

2272
01:38:25,259 --> 01:38:22,960
like that from the 50s and the 60s and

2273
01:38:27,089 --> 01:38:25,269
it's almost as if can't they take a few

2274
01:38:29,310 --> 01:38:27,099
source samples they'll get in scene or

2275
01:38:31,410 --> 01:38:29,320
cause but it looks like in many of these

2276
01:38:34,259 --> 01:38:31,420
cases with hindsight that they were

2277
01:38:36,810 --> 01:38:34,269
staged yet the person was meant to see

2278
01:38:39,779 --> 01:38:36,820
the alien grabbing the soil samples

2279
01:38:43,379 --> 01:38:39,789
because he creates this image of alien

2280
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:43,389
scientist you know getting examples and

2281
01:38:48,779 --> 01:38:46,090
samples of a you know whatever it is

2282
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:48,789
they need yeah there definitely seems to

2283
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:51,010
be a theatrical element to the whole

2284
01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:53,050
thing exactly I think it really is

2285
01:38:59,759 --> 01:38:56,710
theatrical it's not random events now I

2286
01:39:02,580 --> 01:38:59,769
think part of it is to try and convince

2287
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,590
the people of that area of what the

2288
01:39:07,410 --> 01:39:04,719
phenomenon is you know today we're told

2289
01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:07,420
it's extraterrestrials you know you can

2290
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,820
go back into thousands of years ago when

2291
01:39:13,319 --> 01:39:11,679
they were perceived as demons well they

2292
01:39:16,109 --> 01:39:13,329
were perceived as demons because they

2293
01:39:18,409 --> 01:39:16,119
came across as demons you can look like

2294
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,419
the whole Jacmel eye scenario

2295
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:20,639
fairies and goblins in the you know

2296
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,409
Middle Ages and the parallels between

2297
01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:25,199
them and you know abduction stories that

2298
01:39:31,009 --> 01:39:28,260
we rather similarities is clearly there

2299
01:39:34,189 --> 01:39:31,019
to see and maybe the paper 500 years ago

2300
01:39:35,959 --> 01:39:34,199
really did see goblins today we don't

2301
01:39:38,419 --> 01:39:35,969
really see even seen much of the space

2302
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:38,429
brothers anymore that's just 50 60 years

2303
01:39:45,529 --> 01:39:41,840
ago so I think there is this theatrical

2304
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:45,539
orchestrated aspect but whether it's an

2305
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:48,179
experiment or well it's something else's

2306
01:39:52,759 --> 01:39:50,610
beyond our thinking because their minds

2307
01:39:55,339 --> 01:39:52,769
are so different I don't know there's no

2308
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:55,349
doubt in my mind that so many of these

2309
01:40:00,020 --> 01:39:57,449
events are not random that they're

2310
01:40:01,639 --> 01:40:00,030
created and played out for the benefit

2311
01:40:04,549 --> 01:40:01,649
if that's the right word of their

2312
01:40:06,469 --> 01:40:04,559
witness there must be an intent there

2313
01:40:08,839 --> 01:40:06,479
then right I mean if you're going to

2314
01:40:11,659 --> 01:40:08,849
create something then to do with that

2315
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:11,669
sort of int well an intent and if

2316
01:40:15,229 --> 01:40:13,110
there's an intent there's a purpose and

2317
01:40:17,419 --> 01:40:15,239
if and what might that purpose be

2318
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:17,429
and what could else can it possibly be

2319
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:20,159
but to study our reaction to it really

2320
01:40:25,540 --> 01:40:23,130
well it may be I mean that's the one

2321
01:40:28,129 --> 01:40:25,550
thing that the one stumbling block is

2322
01:40:29,719 --> 01:40:28,139
what is the reason if that isn't going

2323
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:29,729
on and I think it is you know this idea

2324
01:40:35,959 --> 01:40:34,110
of theatrical player why do it maybe it

2325
01:40:38,419 --> 01:40:35,969
is to see how we react under

2326
01:40:42,020 --> 01:40:38,429
extraordinary circumstances do we act

2327
01:40:44,959 --> 01:40:42,030
with hostility you know do we react

2328
01:40:46,969 --> 01:40:44,969
terrified I think it's interesting you

2329
01:40:50,330 --> 01:40:46,979
know that a lot of people who had very

2330
01:40:52,219 --> 01:40:50,340
profound UFO experiences it really

2331
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:52,229
alters their lives you know and they go

2332
01:40:57,199 --> 01:40:54,780
on you know a completely different path

2333
01:40:59,629 --> 01:40:57,209
I mean you can see throughout the youth

2334
01:41:02,629 --> 01:40:59,639
illogical history cases where you know

2335
01:41:04,819 --> 01:41:02,639
one partner in the marriages had you

2336
01:41:06,830 --> 01:41:04,829
know profound UFO experience and before

2337
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:06,840
you know it they're getting divorced and

2338
01:41:11,810 --> 01:41:09,449
the person who had the experience is you

2339
01:41:13,939 --> 01:41:11,820
know just following the UFO issue and

2340
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:13,949
you know the wife or the husband wanders

2341
01:41:18,949 --> 01:41:16,289
one earth has happened to their partner

2342
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:18,959
that sounds like Close Encounters of the

2343
01:41:25,549 --> 01:41:22,649
Third Kind you know you do find people

2344
01:41:28,219 --> 01:41:25,559
have such a profound experience they go

2345
01:41:30,379 --> 01:41:28,229
on this completely different track so

2346
01:41:32,430 --> 01:41:30,389
maybe part of the phenomena is trying to

2347
01:41:35,310 --> 01:41:32,440
determine how it either

2348
01:41:38,459 --> 01:41:35,320
or not easily the human mind can be

2349
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:38,469
impacted on and altered certainly we've

2350
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:40,510
made the fifties you know you had people

2351
01:41:44,970 --> 01:41:42,670
like George Van Tassel and George

2352
01:41:46,110 --> 01:41:44,980
Adamski who were like I won't say they

2353
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:46,120
were the equivalent along the Heaven's

2354
01:41:50,189 --> 01:41:48,070
Gate people you know it wasn't an ending

2355
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:50,199
death and disaster but they were like

2356
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:52,090
cult leaders whether you you know you

2357
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:54,370
view them as cult leaders or not they

2358
01:42:00,180 --> 01:41:56,890
came across like that very charismatic

2359
01:42:01,709 --> 01:42:00,190
and with thousands of followers maybe

2360
01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:01,719
that's another reason why they were

2361
01:42:07,530 --> 01:42:04,510
targeted to see how you know the masses

2362
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:07,540
even can be controlled in some way if we

2363
01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:10,239
go back to say you know looking at this

2364
01:42:15,290 --> 01:42:13,060
as maybe like a rat in a maze type of

2365
01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:15,300
phenomena if we're the subject of study

2366
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:18,910
then what we've got is there's a number

2367
01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:20,650
of us that are you know running around

2368
01:42:26,250 --> 01:42:23,320
in the maze just all confused about what

2369
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:26,260
has happened and and explaining it with

2370
01:42:31,170 --> 01:42:28,270
our cultural front-loading and then you

2371
01:42:34,979 --> 01:42:31,180
have the odd one like yourself or other

2372
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:34,989
researchers who go mm-hmm and look up

2373
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:38,080
out of the maze and go what are they

2374
01:42:43,709 --> 01:42:41,260
doing that for and I can see how that

2375
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:43,719
would get their attention yeah I think

2376
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:46,690
very often there's a tendency not to

2377
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:49,090
sort of address those kind of aspects of

2378
01:42:54,660 --> 01:42:52,239
a UFO incident you know your average UFO

2379
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,670
researcher will ask questions like you

2380
01:42:58,410 --> 01:42:56,320
know what did you say you know did he

2381
01:42:59,880 --> 01:42:58,420
leave any tripod marks that kind of

2382
01:43:02,340 --> 01:42:59,890
thing and if he did let's get some soil

2383
01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:02,350
samples and they'll take a picture of

2384
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:04,600
the area the other things that UFO

2385
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:06,370
researchers have done since the late

2386
01:43:10,410 --> 01:43:08,650
forties and early fifties but you know

2387
01:43:12,330 --> 01:43:10,420
I'd like to see more questions as well

2388
01:43:14,370 --> 01:43:12,340
you know what were you doing at the time

2389
01:43:17,850 --> 01:43:14,380
is there anything going on in your life

2390
01:43:20,580 --> 01:43:17,860
when this event occurred has it impacted

2391
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:20,590
on you on your family things like this

2392
01:43:24,959 --> 01:43:22,270
the sort of questions which might seem

2393
01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:24,969
intrusive and awkward to some people

2394
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:27,190
they might be actually the more

2395
01:43:31,530 --> 01:43:29,650
important ones than just you know what

2396
01:43:33,930 --> 01:43:31,540
color was the emblem on the side of the

2397
01:43:35,939 --> 01:43:33,940
flying saucer or whatever absolutely I

2398
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:35,949
mean if it is some sort of social

2399
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:38,770
experiment then the key to understanding

2400
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:40,719
what it's about is to study the

2401
01:43:46,090 --> 01:43:44,320
sociology of the phenomena so that makes

2402
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:46,100
perfect sense to mean

2403
01:43:50,020 --> 01:43:48,170
I mean if you think about it you go back

2404
01:43:51,970 --> 01:43:50,030
to the CIA and the Robertson panel

2405
01:43:54,190 --> 01:43:51,980
they said the Robertson panel wasn't

2406
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:54,200
really investigating UFOs it was looking

2407
01:43:59,260 --> 01:43:57,170
at the very real psychological aspects

2408
01:44:01,540 --> 01:43:59,270
of the phenomenon they were looking at

2409
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how the Russians might be exploited by

2410
01:44:05,770 --> 01:44:03,860
hysteria and things like this so

2411
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:05,780
government agencies all these have

2412
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:07,250
looked at some of these alternative

2413
01:44:13,330 --> 01:44:10,490
aspect of how the phenomenon can impact

2414
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:13,340
on people's lives in strange ways so if

2415
01:44:16,930 --> 01:44:14,930
there's a phenomenon that orchestrated

2416
01:44:18,910 --> 01:44:16,940
it too it would make sense that they

2417
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:18,920
would do something along those lines as

2418
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,690
well I mean maybe they're not

2419
01:44:25,180 --> 01:44:22,960
extraterrestrial if there's something

2420
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:25,190
multi-dimensional that coexist with us

2421
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:28,610
but having the ability to sort of create

2422
01:44:33,610 --> 01:44:31,370
an image in the mind which looks very

2423
01:44:35,890 --> 01:44:33,620
real to us but is you know if anybody

2424
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:35,900
else was there at the time maybe they

2425
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:37,850
just see us like a scoop or just

2426
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:40,250
standing there dumbstruck but in their

2427
01:44:46,990 --> 01:44:43,190
mind there's this event being played out

2428
01:44:50,410 --> 01:44:47,000
that might explain why UFOs always seem

2429
01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:50,420
to be completely elusive well if it's

2430
01:44:55,480 --> 01:44:52,640
only real to the witness at the time

2431
01:44:58,180 --> 01:44:55,490
some of these cases do have an

2432
01:45:00,010 --> 01:44:58,190
atmosphere to them not unlike those old

2433
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:00,020
fairy stories where somebody goes

2434
01:45:04,390 --> 01:45:01,910
through the wards and he goes quiet

2435
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,400
things don't quite seem real it's

2436
01:45:10,060 --> 01:45:07,040
dreamlike maybe it seems dreamlike

2437
01:45:12,820 --> 01:45:10,070
because maybe you are almost in a dream

2438
01:45:14,290 --> 01:45:12,830
maybe that really is no UFO to be seen

2439
01:45:16,060 --> 01:45:14,300
if someone else is watching from a

2440
01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:16,070
hundred yards away okay let's continue

2441
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:19,490
with Nick Randall and gene you're in a

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thank you for listening to GCN

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there mr. Randall never mysterious Jay

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2499
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he's now exercising his throat Nick

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Redfern author of the black diary in

2501
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many thousands of other books is joining

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01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:23,870
us and we're focusing on incredible

2503
01:48:27,700 --> 01:48:26,690
mysteries Randall we have a question

2504
01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:27,710
from the audience that might be

2505
01:48:34,710 --> 01:48:32,200
appropriate actually and we do I on that

2506
01:48:37,780 --> 01:48:34,720
we've got one from oh really

2507
01:48:40,750 --> 01:48:37,790
who asked are you acquainted with the

2508
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:40,760
late Joe Fisher's but the siren call of

2509
01:48:45,970 --> 01:48:43,040
hungry ghosts which would seem to be

2510
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:45,980
similar to the understanding of the

2511
01:48:51,340 --> 01:48:48,770
supernatural from a different approach

2512
01:48:53,380 --> 01:48:51,350
so I'm not familiar with that myself but

2513
01:48:55,570 --> 01:48:53,390
maybe you are I'm not familiar with the

2514
01:48:57,790 --> 01:48:55,580
book Randall now but I mean the whole

2515
01:49:00,130 --> 01:48:57,800
Hungry Ghost phenomenon is something

2516
01:49:02,050 --> 01:49:00,140
that sort of has its parallels around

2517
01:49:04,450 --> 01:49:02,060
the world is basically sort of

2518
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:04,460
supernatural entities that feed on us

2519
01:49:11,050 --> 01:49:06,610
that's what the The Hungry Ghost is

2520
01:49:13,300 --> 01:49:11,060
basically defined as in other words you

2521
01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:13,310
know the idea of supernatural entities

2522
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:16,100
sort of living on the human life force

2523
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:18,890
our souls now of course this this is all

2524
01:49:22,990 --> 01:49:21,170
dependent on we whether there is some

2525
01:49:25,330 --> 01:49:23,000
sort of mysterious energy that they can

2526
01:49:27,550 --> 01:49:25,340
feed on you know but you can find

2527
01:49:29,980 --> 01:49:27,560
throughout cultures all around the world

2528
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,990
you know people have paranormal

2529
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:32,000
experiences with these supernatural

2530
01:49:35,860 --> 01:49:33,770
entities that come into the bedroom at

2531
01:49:37,780 --> 01:49:35,870
night and within days you know they've

2532
01:49:40,090 --> 01:49:37,790
gone they're sick with a name here and

2533
01:49:42,250 --> 01:49:40,100
they're weak and tired and and people do

2534
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:42,260
report these kind of things and you also

2535
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:44,270
get that in ufology you know there's a

2536
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:46,210
number of cases where people have

2537
01:49:53,020 --> 01:49:50,480
suffered physically adversely you know

2538
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:53,030
in proximity to UFOs there are a number

2539
01:49:56,260 --> 01:49:55,130
of cases where the men in black people

2540
01:49:58,320 --> 01:49:56,270
have said that when the men in black

2541
01:50:00,630 --> 01:49:58,330
have been in the room with them

2542
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,640
and there's you there on one couch and

2543
01:50:04,830 --> 01:50:02,080
the man who man in black sat on the

2544
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:04,840
other couch staring at them the witness

2545
01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:06,970
has suddenly start started to feel weak

2546
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:10,030
and tired and one described it is how a

2547
01:50:14,910 --> 01:50:12,730
diabetic must feel if you know they miss

2548
01:50:17,130 --> 01:50:14,920
breakfast miss lunch and it's like 8:00

2549
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:17,140
or 9:00 at night and they're in that

2550
01:50:21,810 --> 01:50:19,570
danger zone where they start to crash

2551
01:50:25,130 --> 01:50:21,820
and Shake you know and when they could

2552
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,140
die even I know exactly how that feels

2553
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:28,560
because I've had my own experiences but

2554
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:32,050
definitely that is something you don't

2555
01:50:36,330 --> 01:50:34,690
forget if it happens to you I'm sure and

2556
01:50:38,610 --> 01:50:36,340
but there are a lot of cases like that

2557
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:38,620
where the witnesses have suspected

2558
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:41,530
afterwards that they were sort of little

2559
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:43,840
it literally being bled dry of their

2560
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:47,170
life force of their bare essence you

2561
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,550
know and that's one of the interesting

2562
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:50,800
and disturbing theories that's been put

2563
01:50:55,170 --> 01:50:53,410
forward that maybe we're not seeing the

2564
01:50:57,780 --> 01:50:55,180
bigger picture and that the earth is

2565
01:50:59,610 --> 01:50:57,790
like a farm and we're the cattle but

2566
01:51:01,740 --> 01:50:59,620
we're not literally go into the farm and

2567
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:01,750
then on to the slaughterhouse but the

2568
01:51:07,740 --> 01:51:04,570
idea that these supernatural entities

2569
01:51:10,410 --> 01:51:07,750
feed on our energy and what's the best

2570
01:51:11,970 --> 01:51:10,420
way to feed on a high state of energy is

2571
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:11,980
to manifest something that's going to

2572
01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:15,010
terrify or a-mei someone like a UFO or a

2573
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:18,670
Bigfoot or whatever and then maybe they

2574
01:51:23,460 --> 01:51:21,070
then feed on that high state of energy

2575
01:51:25,710 --> 01:51:23,470
so maybe that would could explain to

2576
01:51:27,660 --> 01:51:25,720
these theatrical events we're not

2577
01:51:30,750 --> 01:51:27,670
teaching us anything they're not being

2578
01:51:33,330 --> 01:51:30,760
taught anything they're just simply just

2579
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:33,340
waiting for us to get into that state of

2580
01:51:39,690 --> 01:51:36,070
hysteria and fear caused by the sight of

2581
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:39,700
this 8-foot tall hairy ape-man and then

2582
01:51:44,220 --> 01:51:42,010
they can feed on it they look at a

2583
01:51:46,380 --> 01:51:44,230
parasitic fashion well that brings up

2584
01:51:48,780 --> 01:51:46,390
the next question from oh really and he

2585
01:51:51,060 --> 01:51:48,790
says in your soon-coming book paranormal

2586
01:51:53,250 --> 01:51:51,070
parasites seems to be about bad news

2587
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:53,260
just what you've been talking about but

2588
01:51:59,070 --> 01:51:56,170
in your experience he asks is there any

2589
01:52:01,860 --> 01:51:59,080
good news in the supernatural realm well

2590
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:01,870
he's talking about paranoia parasites

2591
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:03,850
comes out in September it's actually on

2592
01:52:07,890 --> 01:52:05,610
the what we're now talking about

2593
01:52:09,900 --> 01:52:07,900
supernatural things throughout history

2594
01:52:12,270 --> 01:52:09,910
and around the world in folklore

2595
01:52:16,049 --> 01:52:12,280
mythology reality that's

2596
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:16,059
to have this ability to bleed us dry you

2597
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:18,250
know so the psychic vampires as people

2598
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:20,650
call them in terms of the paranormal is

2599
01:52:26,069 --> 01:52:24,010
the positive side to it well I've found

2600
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:26,079
that there are a lot of positive sides

2601
01:52:31,319 --> 01:52:29,110
to it unless that part of a to kind of

2602
01:52:33,390 --> 01:52:31,329
reel you in and make it seem to you that

2603
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:33,400
it's positive but I've had a lot of very

2604
01:52:38,850 --> 01:52:36,250
positive synchronicities over the years

2605
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:38,860
which push me in the right directions in

2606
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:42,090
terms of stories and the cases and just

2607
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:44,800
general research as if somebody was

2608
01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:47,199
guiding me down this particular path or

2609
01:52:52,379 --> 01:52:49,960
or whatever maybe I'm not seeing that

2610
01:52:54,270 --> 01:52:52,389
bigger picture and this there's actually

2611
01:52:56,850 --> 01:52:54,280
like a malevolent aspect to it all I

2612
01:52:58,740 --> 01:52:56,860
mean you cannot deny that because if you

2613
01:53:02,220 --> 01:52:58,750
think about it going back to the idea of

2614
01:53:03,569 --> 01:53:02,230
barman capital well in the field Percy

2615
01:53:04,799 --> 01:53:03,579
the farmers their best friend because

2616
01:53:08,189 --> 01:53:04,809
what does he do we feed them every day

2617
01:53:10,799 --> 01:53:08,199
and you know they've got a nice barn or

2618
01:53:12,990 --> 01:53:10,809
whatever to go into at night you know

2619
01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:13,000
the cattle don't say anything that's

2620
01:53:19,049 --> 01:53:16,030
threatening until of course you know the

2621
01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:19,059
parol cow goes to the slaughterhouse I'm

2622
01:53:24,569 --> 01:53:21,460
not saying it's quite as literally a

2623
01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:24,579
comparison as that but you know it's

2624
01:53:28,589 --> 01:53:27,190
possible that we are saying something or

2625
01:53:31,709 --> 01:53:28,599
interacting with something that seems

2626
01:53:34,020 --> 01:53:31,719
wholly older holy but Lee Parsley's

2627
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:34,030
partially benevolent but which could

2628
01:53:39,209 --> 01:53:36,360
actually be highly deceptive and

2629
01:53:41,490 --> 01:53:39,219
malevolent but we just not see any you

2630
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:41,500
know we are like the next generation of

2631
01:53:45,450 --> 01:53:42,880
the cow so to speak

2632
01:53:48,689 --> 01:53:45,460
he asks have you had any other kind of

2633
01:53:51,839 --> 01:53:48,699
personal experiences that convinced you

2634
01:53:52,700 --> 01:53:51,849
of the supernatural the reality of the

2635
01:53:54,990 --> 01:53:52,710
supernatural

2636
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:55,000
primarily all the weird stuff that with

2637
01:54:01,379 --> 01:53:57,570
a man in black the synchronicities

2638
01:54:03,180 --> 01:54:01,389
things like the 11:11 phenomenon and a

2639
01:54:05,370 --> 01:54:03,190
lot of weird stuff again a lot of people

2640
01:54:08,339 --> 01:54:05,380
are going to just dismiss this but where

2641
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:08,349
I've had sort of very vivid dreams where

2642
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,170
I've sort of seen entities in the dreams

2643
01:54:15,299 --> 01:54:13,599
which laid me to believe that some of

2644
01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:15,309
these supernatural entities can

2645
01:54:20,819 --> 01:54:18,280
literally invade your your dream state

2646
01:54:23,339 --> 01:54:20,829
your sleep state again very

2647
01:54:26,069 --> 01:54:23,349
controversial but I've had a number of

2648
01:54:29,639 --> 01:54:26,079
days that leads me to believe that these

2649
01:54:31,770 --> 01:54:29,649
things can sort of get into our mindset

2650
01:54:33,569 --> 01:54:31,780
there are a lot of cases with a man in

2651
01:54:36,540 --> 01:54:33,579
black like that where people have seen

2652
01:54:40,049 --> 01:54:36,550
them and then they've had very vivid

2653
01:54:42,449 --> 01:54:40,059
dreams and night after which didn't seem

2654
01:54:44,879 --> 01:54:42,459
like normal dreams it literally was as

2655
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:44,889
if the man in black if you like that

2656
01:54:49,139 --> 01:54:47,260
some have gotten into the dream and turn

2657
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:49,149
it into you know you your world's worst

2658
01:54:55,079 --> 01:54:52,719
nightmare what can people do to deal

2659
01:54:57,179 --> 01:54:55,089
with this then in let's assume these

2660
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things are all happening and I think

2661
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you've probably interviewed and done so

2662
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much research that it's fair to say that

2663
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it's pretty tough to dismiss the

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phenomena even if we don't know what it

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is but what can we do about it that's a

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very good question I mean from my

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perspective you know as I said I'm a

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fairly you know or strong-willed person

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you know I don't take fools lightly and

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I get down and work hard and get

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everything done and I'm driven and

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focused you know I think but when you

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have people who Alber Bend is a classic

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example you know he was someone who did

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not really have much sort of you know a

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sense of have a strong character you

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know he did not come across like that at

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all

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and I think anyone who is sort of weak

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willed unsure is ripe for you know being

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snared in if you like and things just go

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wrong

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oh yeah first question people go on so

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are we suggesting here that someone like

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an Albert K bender may be being of a

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weaker personality on having the

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resilience to manage such things makes

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himself unconsciously perhaps

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susceptible of things like this yes be

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psychic vampire you know you talk to

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someone

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hey I'm saying if I what's been going on

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oh you won't believe what happened and

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this happened and that happened you know

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negative things happen to them because

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their mind is in a car in a constantly

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negative state and and I really do think

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that happens and I think the way to

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essentially I don't know if you can

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banish the phenomenon at all

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I think the way to keep it at bay and

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keep things to a minimum is to

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essentially say no to these things you

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know creating your mind the image of a

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barrier or wall and and stand up to the

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phenomenon or phenomena rather and you

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shaking because you cannot get rid of

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this whatever it is well that is a para

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got to be the longest bumper for the

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been around for 12 and a half years we

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have never ever had a bumper that long

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in fact Blake is currently coughing and

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wheezing because he's really got himself

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in a very serious condition here is that

2829
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correct Nick no we must proceed with the

2830
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world of the unknown I have a fast

2831
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question of you Nick okay is it possible

2832
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rather than being influenced by some

2833
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third party entity it's all a product of

2834
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your imagination when you have weird

2835
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things happen well no I mean I think we

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all at times you know a subconscious

2837
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interacts with us you know to a massive

2838
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degree I mean sometimes a dream is just

2839
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a dream yeah you know your your dream

2840
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about something that happened two weeks

2841
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ago when I went back to England for

2842
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example like three weeks ago I had a

2843
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dream you know that I'd lost one of the

2844
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cases clearly you know because flying is

2845
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just a hassle you know particularly

2846
02:03:15,390 --> 02:03:12,760
internationally the pain in the neck

2847
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doesn't worry me in that sense but it

2848
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just annoys me so that you know my

2849
02:03:21,660 --> 02:03:19,930
subconscious I'm sure was responsible

2850
02:03:23,730 --> 02:03:21,670
for that dream and I mean lost my little

2851
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bag at the airport like before I was

2852
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going to fly so you know our

2853
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subconscious does work in odd ways but

2854
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when these events often occur when

2855
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you're wide awake and there's different

2856
02:03:38,940 --> 02:03:37,420
people all experiencing similar things

2857
02:03:42,150 --> 02:03:38,950
you know it's like with the men in black

2858
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:42,160
I mean up until the the movies came out

2859
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the phenomenon wasn't known that much at

2860
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:47,200
all out sorry ufology and yet people

2861
02:03:52,020 --> 02:03:50,110
with no interest saw the man in black so

2862
02:03:54,990 --> 02:03:52,030
why is it you know they always turn up

2863
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in black suits and black fedoras why was

2864
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it not like I don't know white and put

2865
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in pink striped pajamas

2866
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so I think you know there are certain

2867
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things that maybe love that where you

2868
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have you have parallels and you have

2869
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trends that leads me to believe that we

2870
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it's not all our imagination just

2871
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running wild and seeing you know a girl

2872
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behind the door or a demon in the closet

2873
02:04:20,500 --> 02:04:19,280
you know that do you know what kids you

2874
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know when your kid you think there's a

2875
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monster under the bed or whatever so

2876
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:24,980
things like that do happen but I still

2877
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think there is a paranormal world which

2878
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interacts with us and that interaction

2879
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is very much dependent on who you are as

2880
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a character and what you're delving into

2881
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and you just the act of opening doorways

2882
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because you know I always tell people

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it's easy to open a portal or a doorway

2884
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it's not that easy to close it you know

2885
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kinda like when I mentioned earlier on

2886
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that sort of sleep paralysis thing I had

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when there was this deep clearly female

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voice though saying something along the

2889
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lines of you know I can help you just

2890
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say yes that did not come across like a

2891
02:05:12,490 --> 02:05:09,080
dream that was like I was in the bed and

2892
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there was something hostile in the

2893
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corridor between the living room and the

2894
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bedroom and you know things like that

2895
02:05:22,750 --> 02:05:19,940
lead me to believe and synchronicities

2896
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you know made me to believe there is a

2897
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world impact on us and you know we can

2898
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impact on it if we know how and whether

2899
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or not you know we should even impact on

2900
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it so Nick getting into this sleep

2901
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paralysis thing I was just wondering I'd

2902
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:39,230
like to ask you a question here if

2903
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:41,450
you've like have you interviewed quite a

2904
02:05:46,030 --> 02:05:44,480
few people who sort of had these dream

2905
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experiences or claim that they've had

2906
02:05:53,470 --> 02:05:51,260
sleep paralysis okay so one of the

2907
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:53,480
things I've been noticing fairly

2908
02:05:57,460 --> 02:05:55,250
recently but partly because I've

2909
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:57,470
experienced some of this myself is that

2910
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people are saying that they're

2911
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experiencing what they describe as like

2912
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being scanned this even happens not just

2913
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while they're sleeping or waking up but

2914
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:11,000
just even while they're just wide awake

2915
02:06:15,670 --> 02:06:13,250
but it's just lying in bed or

2916
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:15,680
woken up in the morning or in the middle

2917
02:06:20,410 --> 02:06:18,200
of the night and it feels like some kind

2918
02:06:23,500 --> 02:06:20,420
of scanning thing is going over their

2919
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:23,510
body like a wave of tingling sparkling

2920
02:06:29,130 --> 02:06:25,370
sensations have you run across that I

2921
02:06:31,420 --> 02:06:29,140
actually haven't I mean most of the one

2922
02:06:34,120 --> 02:06:31,430
price probably the case that the reason

2923
02:06:36,340 --> 02:06:34,130
why I tend to get certain ones is

2924
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:36,350
because you know people read a book and

2925
02:06:42,130 --> 02:06:39,110
if it's about Bigfoot you know they'll

2926
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,140
approach someone to talk about big if

2927
02:06:45,790 --> 02:06:44,480
they speak to the author or want to you

2928
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:45,800
know contact the author they'll talk

2929
02:06:50,890 --> 02:06:48,770
about Bigfoot and you know somebody who

2930
02:06:54,100 --> 02:06:50,900
writes about crop circles gets a lot of

2931
02:06:57,070 --> 02:06:54,110
back in relation to crop circles now

2932
02:07:00,340 --> 02:06:57,080
with me most of the the sleep paralysis

2933
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:00,350
cases that I've got actually do surround

2934
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:01,970
things like the men in black and the

2935
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shadow people and the hat man and black

2936
02:07:08,350 --> 02:07:06,800
eyed children that kind of thing but I

2937
02:07:11,190 --> 02:07:08,360
think that's because I write about them

2938
02:07:14,740 --> 02:07:11,200
you know if somebody else writes on

2939
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:14,750
demonology and that somebody's had a you

2940
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:16,850
know a slay paralysis experience they'll

2941
02:07:22,300 --> 02:07:19,520
go to that person rather than me I'm

2942
02:07:24,460 --> 02:07:22,310
sorry I think that aspect comes into

2943
02:07:28,380 --> 02:07:24,470
play but I actually haven't heard that

2944
02:07:33,340 --> 02:07:28,390
you know that angle of you know the

2945
02:07:35,380 --> 02:07:33,350
experience yeah like I said you know

2946
02:07:37,300 --> 02:07:35,390
that's why I think there is a genuine

2947
02:07:39,490 --> 02:07:37,310
phenomenon when you have people all

2948
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:39,500
around the world or around the country

2949
02:07:46,050 --> 02:07:42,050
they're having this scanning experience

2950
02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:46,060
versus just seeing and malicious entity

2951
02:07:50,950 --> 02:07:48,350
looming over the bed I mean give you

2952
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:50,960
another example last year I got a ton of

2953
02:07:56,350 --> 02:07:53,570
emails and messages after writing an

2954
02:07:58,660 --> 02:07:56,360
article where painful wrap in bivy

2955
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dreams of nuclear attacks and

2956
02:08:05,050 --> 02:08:01,640
particularly of nuclear detonations on

2957
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Chicago I got wrote several articles

2958
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about this and a number of people

2959
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:10,100
probably all together about 30 contacted

2960
02:08:15,580 --> 02:08:13,010
me and if they're all dream in having

2961
02:08:17,860 --> 02:08:15,590
nightmares of an attack on the United

2962
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States out of the blue which we weren't

2963
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:20,870
able to stop and you know just these

2964
02:08:25,930 --> 02:08:23,810
gigantic mushroom clouds coming up in

2965
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the distance all over the place and I

2966
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mean

2967
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we didn't like you know terrifying

2968
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dreams for the people and you know some

2969
02:08:36,180 --> 02:08:33,370
of the people wondered if it was because

2970
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time wise you know it was happening with

2971
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:38,410
all the you know the North Korea thing

2972
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when there were concerns about you know

2973
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missiles could reach the US etc etcetera

2974
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maybe that was part of it you know just

2975
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anxiety but you know a lot of the people

2976
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what they were talking about was very

2977
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similar it wasn't just a dream of a

2978
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nuclear war it was a dream of somehow

2979
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America wasn't able to to fight back

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as if you know there being like a

2981
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disablement of the warheads or like in

2982
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:09,460
some people thought like electromagnetic

2983
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pulse which can fry all the electrical

2984
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equipment that was in interesting but

2985
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from a disturbing aspect that none of

2986
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the people were talking about you know

2987
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everybody's firing the missile Russia

2988
02:09:28,860 --> 02:09:26,290
China the US the UK it was just the u.s.

2989
02:09:31,530 --> 02:09:28,870
they've got that took the brunt of it so

2990
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:31,540
that you know it's it kind of parallels

2991
02:09:36,030 --> 02:09:33,730
what you're talking about you know where

2992
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:36,040
with the scanner in the sense that it

2993
02:09:40,590 --> 02:09:37,930
was everybody was talking about a

2994
02:09:42,660 --> 02:09:40,600
specific kind of nuclear nightmare

2995
02:09:45,810 --> 02:09:42,670
rather than just a random one you know

2996
02:09:47,910 --> 02:09:45,820
interesting so have you taken that

2997
02:09:49,950 --> 02:09:47,920
factor into account when deciding on how

2998
02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:49,960
much is synchronicity and how much is

2999
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coincidence and by that I mean yeah you

3000
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know if you're writing about something

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maybe soliciting your readership for

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stories and one would expect to get back

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a whole bunch of accounts from people

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about that I'll tell you why about this

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is that we have to do a break we got a

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couple of more segments to spend with

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Nick Redfern who has the longest

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bumper on the planet I don't know how

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that sounds

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with gee Nick and Randle you're in the

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thank you for listening to GCN

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captain at Table Rock Lake tells them

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violent storm hits the boat fills with

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head she says it's a miracle but doesn't

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podcast the gold standard of paranormal

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have heard of them you talk very fast we

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have ups up here and Canada Post but

3101
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let's get back to that question Nick the

3102
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question is how much have you taken into

3103
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account the factors that you're a writer

3104
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who writes about certain things solicits

3105
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stories from your readership how much of

3106
02:15:39,610 --> 02:15:37,220
that have you taken into account as

3107
02:15:41,770 --> 02:15:39,620
being part of a synchronicity or a

3108
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coincidence I mean we you would expect a

3109
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lot of that yeah I mean if you look at

3110
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you know just whatever goes on every day

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on the planet you know seven eight

3112
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billion people you are gonna have

3113
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:51,590
coincidences where you know you're gonna

3114
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talk to somebody one day who's got the

3115
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same birthday as yours you know or

3116
02:15:59,650 --> 02:15:57,250
somebody who shares the same name

3117
02:16:01,690 --> 02:15:59,660
there's nothing magical or supernatural

3118
02:16:03,970 --> 02:16:01,700
about that it's just down to the odds of

3119
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eventually you know you are gonna come

3120
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:06,170
across somebody who drives the same car

3121
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:07,760
as yours you know in the same color

3122
02:16:11,950 --> 02:16:09,410
that's just because there are so many

3123
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:11,960
cars of that color and you know you can

3124
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you can you can sort of take that

3125
02:16:20,350 --> 02:16:17,000
approach in just about every aspect of

3126
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life but you know when you're dealing

3127
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with the paranormal and you start to get

3128
02:16:27,820 --> 02:16:25,850
some really strange synchronicities I

3129
02:16:29,860 --> 02:16:27,830
mean again that thing with the man in

3130
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black outside the window and Rosemary's

3131
02:16:35,350 --> 02:16:33,290
Baby you know I don't personally think

3132
02:16:38,020 --> 02:16:35,360
that was a coincidence I think there are

3133
02:16:40,509 --> 02:16:38,030
too many factors involved now if it's

3134
02:16:41,860 --> 02:16:40,519
just like a person's name well of course

3135
02:16:44,980 --> 02:16:41,870
that's just going to be a coincidence

3136
02:16:48,820 --> 02:16:44,990
because it's going to happen but the

3137
02:16:51,580 --> 02:16:48,830
ones that I think more about which I

3138
02:16:54,970 --> 02:16:51,590
think of synchronicities is when you

3139
02:16:57,160 --> 02:16:54,980
have multiple factors like we'd be the

3140
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:57,170
roses baby thing there was a fact that I

3141
02:17:00,700 --> 02:16:59,120
was right in the article you know I

3142
02:17:01,530 --> 02:17:00,710
talked in the article about Pater

3143
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Beckman's

3144
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dori about seeing these MIB after

3145
02:17:10,260 --> 02:17:07,440
listening to the soundtrack back in the

3146
02:17:13,140 --> 02:17:10,270
1960s then I talked about a few other

3147
02:17:15,629 --> 02:17:13,150
cases in the article and then that night

3148
02:17:18,330 --> 02:17:15,639
I watched the movie and then the next

3149
02:17:21,690 --> 02:17:18,340
morning the guys there outside that's

3150
02:17:24,900 --> 02:17:21,700
like six or seven definitive separate

3151
02:17:27,209 --> 02:17:24,910
parts all coming together and I think

3152
02:17:30,390 --> 02:17:27,219
when you have five or six or more

3153
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:30,400
components then it goes from being a

3154
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coincidence to a synchronicity a

3155
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coincident is generally just a one-off

3156
02:17:39,690 --> 02:17:36,910
thing but when you've got all these five

3157
02:17:42,930 --> 02:17:39,700
or six different strands all leading to

3158
02:17:46,169 --> 02:17:42,940
an end point if you like that for me

3159
02:17:49,350 --> 02:17:46,179
defines a synchronicity okay so like say

3160
02:17:52,680 --> 02:17:49,360
maybe clusters have a very similar type

3161
02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:52,690
of phenomena happening to several

3162
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:54,610
different people around the same time in

3163
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different parts of the world or country

3164
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that are separated and unknown to each

3165
02:18:03,839 --> 02:18:01,900
other but just that cluster represents a

3166
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:03,849
spike that's out of the ordinary that's

3167
02:18:09,209 --> 02:18:06,880
sort of thinking yeah good example which

3168
02:18:10,980 --> 02:18:09,219
again relates to the man in black and

3169
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:10,990
I'm gonna talk about this in the book at

3170
02:18:15,180 --> 02:18:14,050
length there was a period I think it was

3171
02:18:18,480 --> 02:18:15,190
2016

3172
02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:18,490
maybe 2015 bruising ran that period and

3173
02:18:24,330 --> 02:18:21,550
I got like a cluster of reports of

3174
02:18:28,049 --> 02:18:24,340
payloads seen been in black and women in

3175
02:18:30,390 --> 02:18:28,059
black in libraries and bookstores and

3176
02:18:33,180 --> 02:18:30,400
these are people who had UFO experiences

3177
02:18:34,500 --> 02:18:33,190
not necessarily recently and they were

3178
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:34,510
just wandering around like an old

3179
02:18:38,640 --> 02:18:37,090
library or a bookstore and suddenly got

3180
02:18:40,650 --> 02:18:38,650
that feeling that we all have from time

3181
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:40,660
to time that somebody's watching you you

3182
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:42,610
know they turn round and saw this sort

3183
02:18:47,459 --> 02:18:44,770
of pale face man in a black suit in a

3184
02:18:50,490 --> 02:18:47,469
fedora or pale face woman we'd like a

3185
02:18:52,799 --> 02:18:50,500
long black wig just stare both staring

3186
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with this sort of eerie green and I got

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as I said I got a cluster somewhere in

3188
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the region it's seven or eight across

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02:19:01,530 --> 02:18:59,590
maybe three weeks of people who had

3190
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these experiences with the MIB and the

3191
02:19:07,230 --> 02:19:04,840
WIB in bookstores or old libraries and

3192
02:19:10,650 --> 02:19:07,240
and again why that should be the case I

3193
02:19:12,900 --> 02:19:10,660
don't know but I found that you know to

3194
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:12,910
be for me like a weird synchronicity

3195
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:15,200
that people from oh they're all from the

3196
02:19:19,930 --> 02:19:18,290
yes contacted me in varying ways the

3197
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stories weren't alike but the theme of

3198
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the libraries you know and the man in

3199
02:19:27,370 --> 02:19:25,310
black being present they were very much

3200
02:19:30,190 --> 02:19:27,380
similar so again you know I kind of

3201
02:19:32,560 --> 02:19:30,200
perceived that as like a classic sort of

3202
02:19:35,230 --> 02:19:32,570
synchronistic state well maybe they're

3203
02:19:36,610 --> 02:19:35,240
uh you know pulling certain books off

3204
02:19:40,330 --> 02:19:36,620
the shelves to get them out of the

3205
02:19:41,650 --> 02:19:40,340
library so that people you know don't

3206
02:19:44,290 --> 02:19:41,660
you mention something about some

3207
02:19:46,600 --> 02:19:44,300
document that you might need I might

3208
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:46,610
need some help here but it was an FBI

3209
02:19:51,700 --> 02:19:49,130
document that included some mention of

3210
02:19:54,250 --> 02:19:51,710
something to do was it what was it with

3211
02:19:56,500 --> 02:19:54,260
the space shuttle or something yeah that

3212
02:19:59,950 --> 02:19:56,510
was really weird yeah I did some

3213
02:20:02,680 --> 02:19:59,960
research a few years ago into when the

3214
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:02,690
space shuttle Challenger exploded on

3215
02:20:08,591 --> 02:20:06,650
takeoff in 1986 killing the crew and you

3216
02:20:10,990 --> 02:20:08,601
know over the years a lot of theories

3217
02:20:13,930 --> 02:20:11,000
have been put forward and personally I

3218
02:20:16,540 --> 02:20:13,940
think it was generally just a tragic

3219
02:20:18,341 --> 02:20:16,550
accident but a lot of people did not

3220
02:20:21,490 --> 02:20:18,351
think that they thought that it had been

3221
02:20:24,250 --> 02:20:21,500
shut down some of the people said they

3222
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:24,260
saw like like a laser type light hitting

3223
02:20:31,810 --> 02:20:26,960
the fuel tank now the FBI actually

3224
02:20:32,860 --> 02:20:31,820
opened a file on all these claims of

3225
02:20:35,381 --> 02:20:32,870
people you know a lot of people

3226
02:20:37,810 --> 02:20:35,391
contacted the FBI or the police who then

3227
02:20:40,110 --> 02:20:37,820
forwarded you know their phone call or

3228
02:20:43,150 --> 02:20:40,120
whatever on to the FBI and the FBI

3229
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:43,160
opened a file on all these rumors and

3230
02:20:47,230 --> 02:20:45,290
theories you know that the shuttle have

3231
02:20:50,500 --> 02:20:47,240
been blown out of the sky effectively

3232
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:50,510
that file is now available online at the

3233
02:20:55,360 --> 02:20:53,570
FBI's website you go to the at the FBI's

3234
02:20:57,761 --> 02:20:55,370
got its like main website but all the

3235
02:20:59,530 --> 02:20:57,771
files which are now being classified or

3236
02:21:03,160 --> 02:20:59,540
at their second website which is called

3237
02:21:06,210 --> 02:21:03,170
the vault so it's it's bold gov and if

3238
02:21:09,220 --> 02:21:06,220
you search the A to Z list you'll see

3239
02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:09,230
Challenger Space Shuttle or Space

3240
02:21:13,930 --> 02:21:10,610
Shuttle explosion I think it might be

3241
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,940
titled and that file talks about all the

3242
02:21:18,730 --> 02:21:15,920
people who were interviewed by the FBI

3243
02:21:21,610 --> 02:21:18,740
who had theories that the shuttle was

3244
02:21:25,421 --> 02:21:21,620
sabotage one of the people was a woman a

3245
02:21:27,330 --> 02:21:25,431
psychic who claimed that she was in

3246
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:27,340
touch with like higher forces

3247
02:21:31,460 --> 02:21:29,130
extraterrestrial or supernatural

3248
02:21:33,860 --> 02:21:31,470
this who said the shuttle had been

3249
02:21:36,500 --> 02:21:33,870
blasted out of the sky and the FBI

3250
02:21:39,139 --> 02:21:36,510
extensively interview this woman about

3251
02:21:41,570 --> 02:21:39,149
her theories and some of those pages are

3252
02:21:43,490 --> 02:21:41,580
actually still classified they have not

3253
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:43,500
been released which is interesting in

3254
02:21:47,450 --> 02:21:45,600
itself now

3255
02:21:50,900 --> 02:21:47,460
the story gets a little bit weird

3256
02:21:52,670 --> 02:21:50,910
because I spoke to my agent Lisa Hagen

3257
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,680
is the publish of the book as well but I

3258
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:54,720
was going to mention this in a lecture I

3259
02:21:58,820 --> 02:21:56,340
was giving out at the contact in the

3260
02:22:01,610 --> 02:21:58,830
deserts conference as in Joshua Tree

3261
02:22:03,230 --> 02:22:01,620
just a few days later and I wanted to

3262
02:22:04,969 --> 02:22:03,240
include this because the woman was like

3263
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:04,979
a contact to you know if my lecture was

3264
02:22:11,150 --> 02:22:08,160
going to be on the contactees and so I

3265
02:22:12,320 --> 02:22:11,160
spoke to I found Lisa and I said you

3266
02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:12,330
know I'm gonna be away for a few days

3267
02:22:17,330 --> 02:22:15,090
I'm gonna be doing a lecture and I

3268
02:22:19,219 --> 02:22:17,340
didn't say on what and she's a little

3269
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:19,229
you know a nice break for you and she

3270
02:22:22,490 --> 02:22:21,120
said something's weird just happened on

3271
02:22:24,889 --> 02:22:22,500
us the what was that

3272
02:22:26,750 --> 02:22:24,899
she said the phone rang and he was dyed

3273
02:22:29,690 --> 02:22:26,760
the red unknown caller or private call

3274
02:22:32,810 --> 02:22:29,700
or something like that and she said it

3275
02:22:36,110 --> 02:22:32,820
was like a robotic voice and it said

3276
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:36,120
Challenger exploded and I said I a joke

3277
02:22:41,090 --> 02:22:38,490
and she said no and I said well I've

3278
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:41,100
just been preparing my powerpoint on

3279
02:22:47,420 --> 02:22:44,490
this whole story of the Challenger Space

3280
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:47,430
Shuttle exploding and how the FBI got

3281
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involved and I you know I scanned a

3282
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:51,540
couple of the documents shocked so I

3283
02:22:56,929 --> 02:22:53,040
could show those on the screen as well

3284
02:22:59,900 --> 02:22:56,939
and Lisa had this weird call just saying

3285
02:23:01,610 --> 02:22:59,910
those words Challenger exploded right

3286
02:23:05,380 --> 02:23:01,620
about the time when I was downloading

3287
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the pictures to using the PowerPoint and

3288
02:23:11,870 --> 02:23:08,990
that was like one of the weirdest

3289
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:11,880
situations you know the idea that that

3290
02:23:17,330 --> 02:23:14,610
did make me think you know somebody was

3291
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listening in and I actually think that

3292
02:23:23,210 --> 02:23:20,939
has more to do with someone listening in

3293
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:23,220
rather than something paranormal you

3294
02:23:30,820 --> 02:23:27,120
know what I mean an intelligence agency

3295
02:23:33,500 --> 02:23:30,830
may be just messing around you know to

3296
02:23:36,530 --> 02:23:33,510
screw with somebody's mind I don't know

3297
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:36,540
it was just a weird situation yeah the

3298
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Challenger that was that was quite a

3299
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tragedy for sure and

3300
02:23:47,981 --> 02:23:46,041
I don't I don't know if it's really

3301
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productive to think that - you know

3302
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maybe one of the people and in the

3303
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accident itself was responsible for

3304
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sabotaging it

3305
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the woman's tell that's what the woman

3306
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told the FBI and you know he's a highly

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controversial story and as I said for me

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you know what fascinated me was the file

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listening to the para cat scenic decided

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to be quick brief that time because he

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of the previous time he did it now

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all these conspiracy theories about what

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might have caused this particular

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disaster but how does one prove it

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yesterday after all these years I don't

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actually go out to prove because I

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really do think he was an accident when

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I read the file it was such a

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fascinating file because there were

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multiple people had these highly

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intricate theories as to who sabotage

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the shuttle why was sabotage

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how it was blown out of the sky what

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kind of laser technology was used and

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the FBI actually you know went to the

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homes of these paper and interviewed

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them you know it's nothing sinister they

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just they wanted as much help as

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possible you know to try and figure out

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what happened yeah I was just going back

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and this takes us back to the question

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about so you know people removing stuff

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you're saying here that the FBI had

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clearly removed the relevant pages from

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the PDF yes what happened was that the

3450
02:30:11,450 --> 02:30:08,900
there was roughly 28 pages in the PDF

3451
02:30:14,750 --> 02:30:11,460
concerning the woman who said you know

3452
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:14,760
it was sabotage etc etc most of those 28

3453
02:30:19,030 --> 02:30:16,770
pages or whatever it actually was have

3454
02:30:21,650 --> 02:30:19,040
been removed from the PDF the other

3455
02:30:24,040 --> 02:30:21,660
conspiracy theories are still in the

3456
02:30:26,780 --> 02:30:24,050
file but those it's a three-part file

3457
02:30:29,020 --> 02:30:26,790
but it's about 150 pages I think

3458
02:30:32,330 --> 02:30:29,030
altogether maybe a little bit more and

3459
02:30:33,050 --> 02:30:32,340
certain pages that were there are not

3460
02:30:36,110 --> 02:30:33,060
there anymore

3461
02:30:37,910 --> 02:30:36,120
now whether or not a family member

3462
02:30:40,219 --> 02:30:37,920
complained and thought it was in bad

3463
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:40,229
taste and they decided to move it be

3464
02:30:45,500 --> 02:30:42,240
plausible because there there was

3465
02:30:48,500 --> 02:30:45,510
another one on a woman named Mary Hardy

3466
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:48,510
racer she was a woman who was supposedly

3467
02:30:53,930 --> 02:30:51,210
died by spontaneous human combustion you

3468
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,940
know it's very disturbing story for the

3469
02:30:56,840 --> 02:30:55,680
family that used to be on the FBI's

3470
02:31:00,170 --> 02:30:56,850
website

3471
02:31:03,050 --> 02:31:00,180
but that was taken down you know I can

3472
02:31:04,219 --> 02:31:03,060
see how that could be the case yeah you

3473
02:31:08,059 --> 02:31:04,229
know somebody might say it's conspiracy

3474
02:31:10,490 --> 02:31:08,069
I think a more likely scenario could be

3475
02:31:13,070 --> 02:31:10,500
something just you know thinking of the

3476
02:31:14,899 --> 02:31:13,080
failings of the family you know that

3477
02:31:16,880 --> 02:31:14,909
times that makes a lot of sense I would

3478
02:31:18,769 --> 02:31:16,890
probably go with that but the vault

3479
02:31:21,649 --> 02:31:18,779
itself I mean just as an aside he's a

3480
02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:21,659
really good website I mean you know a

3481
02:31:25,010 --> 02:31:23,640
lot of people view government a

3482
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:25,020
particular in this field they view

3483
02:31:29,210 --> 02:31:28,170
government agencies as evil bad guys or

3484
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:29,220
sinister but they're not you know

3485
02:31:32,870 --> 02:31:31,050
they're regular people like us doing a

3486
02:31:35,269 --> 02:31:32,880
you know their best to protect the

3487
02:31:37,219 --> 02:31:35,279
country and etc and their website the

3488
02:31:39,649 --> 02:31:37,229
vault you know there are literally

3489
02:31:41,960 --> 02:31:39,659
probably millions of pages of

3490
02:31:43,550 --> 02:31:41,970
declassified files on all sorts of

3491
02:31:46,969 --> 02:31:43,560
things you know like Frank Sinatra

3492
02:31:49,939 --> 02:31:46,979
Marilyn Monroe rock bands like The Doors

3493
02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:49,949
Jimi Hendrix and all sorts of actors a

3494
02:31:54,830 --> 02:31:51,840
lot of weird files there's a like an

3495
02:31:56,179 --> 02:31:54,840
early FBI file on ESP which goes back to

3496
02:31:58,490 --> 02:31:56,189
the 1950s

3497
02:32:01,729 --> 02:31:58,500
they've Declassified all their cattle

3498
02:32:04,219 --> 02:32:01,739
mutilation files they've classified all

3499
02:32:07,219 --> 02:32:04,229
their files on an l ron Hubbard Jack

3500
02:32:08,599 --> 02:32:07,229
Parsons the famous rocket pioneer all

3501
02:32:11,300 --> 02:32:08,609
sorts of things and you know you can

3502
02:32:14,210 --> 02:32:11,310
download them easily as PDFs and they've

3503
02:32:17,330 --> 02:32:14,220
done a great job you know showing the

3504
02:32:20,450 --> 02:32:17,340
sort of the history of the FBI and which

3505
02:32:22,070 --> 02:32:20,460
does contain a lot of weird stuff yeah

3506
02:32:24,410 --> 02:32:22,080
you just got to have the patience and

3507
02:32:26,300 --> 02:32:24,420
the dogged persistence the of Nick

3508
02:32:28,309 --> 02:32:26,310
Redfern to get him there and scan

3509
02:32:31,010 --> 02:32:28,319
through them all to find the stuff

3510
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:31,020
that's most interesting well so what are

3511
02:32:36,019 --> 02:32:33,210
the most interesting ones is the file on

3512
02:32:38,540 --> 02:32:36,029
wilhelm reich and its cloud busting

3513
02:32:40,070 --> 02:32:38,550
research you know and all go and energy

3514
02:32:41,719 --> 02:32:40,080
and things like that that's a really

3515
02:32:44,359 --> 02:32:41,729
interesting file for anybody who wants

3516
02:32:46,580 --> 02:32:44,369
background on iran Reich and you know

3517
02:32:49,479 --> 02:32:46,590
his relationship with the FBI and how he

3518
02:32:51,590 --> 02:32:49,489
got into problems etc that's very

3519
02:32:54,170 --> 02:32:51,600
pseudo-scientific I think the skeptics

3520
02:32:57,019 --> 02:32:54,180
would say he had that orgone energy

3521
02:32:58,420 --> 02:32:57,029
accumulator and cloudbuster thing you

3522
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:58,430
know it kind of looked like a

3523
02:33:05,269 --> 02:33:02,000
ground-based machine gun or something

3524
02:33:05,689 --> 02:33:05,279
blasting negative energies at the sky or

3525
02:33:09,170 --> 02:33:05,699
whatever

3526
02:33:10,991 --> 02:33:09,180
hmm was there any connection between the

3527
02:33:14,541 --> 02:33:11,001
MIB & cattle mutilations

3528
02:33:17,961 --> 02:33:14,551
um I'm not really able to think of any

3529
02:33:20,600 --> 02:33:17,971
that's almost weird in itself the

3530
02:33:22,131 --> 02:33:20,610
closest I can think of is that in the

3531
02:33:23,001 --> 02:33:22,141
same way you know that the men in black

3532
02:33:24,680 --> 02:33:23,011
turn up

3533
02:33:26,901 --> 02:33:24,690
you know after somebody's had a UFO

3534
02:33:28,881 --> 02:33:26,911
encounter well there are as you know I'm

3535
02:33:30,951 --> 02:33:28,891
sure cases where people have you know

3536
02:33:32,871 --> 02:33:30,961
ranchers have found their cattle dead

3537
02:33:34,911 --> 02:33:32,881
and then say the night after like a

3538
02:33:36,771 --> 02:33:34,921
black helicopters flown over the ranch

3539
02:33:38,871 --> 02:33:36,781
or whatever things like that is almost

3540
02:33:41,811 --> 02:33:38,881
like a warning that kind of thing there

3541
02:33:44,001 --> 02:33:41,821
are a few cases like that but I cannot

3542
02:33:46,731 --> 02:33:44,011
think of one offhand you know where

3543
02:33:49,281 --> 02:33:46,741
there was actually an MIB connection to

3544
02:33:51,470 --> 02:33:49,291
an animal mutilation them there might be

3545
02:33:54,771 --> 02:33:51,480
some but I just I cannot think of

3546
02:33:58,041 --> 02:33:54,781
anything so what do you think is the

3547
02:34:00,531 --> 02:33:58,051
most reasonable theory to pursue if we

3548
02:34:01,791 --> 02:34:00,541
were to try to determine maybe what's

3549
02:34:04,161 --> 02:34:01,801
behind all of this

3550
02:34:06,561 --> 02:34:04,171
you Pete you have it all up well if you

3551
02:34:09,261 --> 02:34:06,571
new to the subject I think your first

3552
02:34:11,180 --> 02:34:09,271
inclination would be to assume they're

3553
02:34:12,861 --> 02:34:11,190
from the government and that that I

3554
02:34:15,771 --> 02:34:12,871
think they approach a lot of people have

3555
02:34:18,651 --> 02:34:15,781
gone until they realized it's much

3556
02:34:20,511 --> 02:34:18,661
weirder than that I think sort of going

3557
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:20,521
down the path of trying to figure it all

3558
02:34:24,461 --> 02:34:22,650
out and come to a conclusion I think

3559
02:34:27,350 --> 02:34:24,471
we're dealing with things that are

3560
02:34:29,871 --> 02:34:27,360
supernatural that interact with us that

3561
02:34:33,231 --> 02:34:29,881
can exist in our reality and other

3562
02:34:35,180 --> 02:34:33,241
realities but maybe they can take on

3563
02:34:37,701 --> 02:34:35,190
different forms and perhaps be the man

3564
02:34:40,100 --> 02:34:37,711
in black image is simply that it's like

3565
02:34:42,171 --> 02:34:40,110
a you know a sophisticated holograph or

3566
02:34:45,491 --> 02:34:42,181
something along the lines of a you know

3567
02:34:49,191 --> 02:34:45,501
a generated matrix type temporary

3568
02:34:50,991 --> 02:34:49,201
situation I think they are in many cases

3569
02:34:52,911 --> 02:34:51,001
you can you could actually make a good

3570
02:34:55,611 --> 02:34:52,921
case that they almost seemed programmed

3571
02:34:59,001 --> 02:34:55,621
some of the witnesses have said it was

3572
02:35:00,711 --> 02:34:59,011
as if they were issuing a threat but not

3573
02:35:02,661 --> 02:35:00,721
understanding what they were saying kind

3574
02:35:04,821 --> 02:35:02,671
of like you know so you had somebody

3575
02:35:07,011 --> 02:35:04,831
speak Russian on a you know no audio

3576
02:35:09,350 --> 02:35:07,021
recording and you played it over and

3577
02:35:11,961 --> 02:35:09,360
over you could say exactly what they're

3578
02:35:14,001 --> 02:35:11,971
saying without having a clue what they

3579
02:35:16,251 --> 02:35:14,011
are saying and some people have said

3580
02:35:18,441 --> 02:35:16,261
that that they felt that they men in

3581
02:35:20,541 --> 02:35:18,451
black are almost programmed so I think

3582
02:35:23,241 --> 02:35:20,551
we could be dealing with some sort of

3583
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:23,251
some sort of sophisticated programming

3584
02:35:26,780 --> 02:35:24,000
whether all

3585
02:35:30,310 --> 02:35:26,790
graphic or physical something that is

3586
02:35:34,250 --> 02:35:30,320
sent out and dispatched almost to

3587
02:35:37,130 --> 02:35:34,260
silence people but which has paranormal

3588
02:35:39,890 --> 02:35:37,140
overtones attached to it like people

3589
02:35:42,980 --> 02:35:39,900
falling sick the poltergeist activity in

3590
02:35:46,190 --> 02:35:42,990
the homes the sense of being drained of

3591
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:46,200
energy and your lifeforce you know for

3592
02:35:52,430 --> 02:35:49,530
me it suggests that in ways we don't

3593
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:52,440
fully understand science and the

3594
02:36:00,320 --> 02:35:55,410
supernatural and the occult somehow

3595
02:36:05,210 --> 02:36:00,330
cross over or at least you know they

3596
02:36:06,830 --> 02:36:05,220
that's how it seems and how and why you

3597
02:36:08,990 --> 02:36:06,840
know we're still struggling to find out

3598
02:36:11,450 --> 02:36:09,000
but I think we're dealing with a sort of

3599
02:36:13,580 --> 02:36:11,460
multi-dimensional supernatural entities

3600
02:36:16,550 --> 02:36:13,590
which in terms of the men in black are

3601
02:36:19,880 --> 02:36:16,560
not friendlier but I really you know

3602
02:36:22,400 --> 02:36:19,890
quite hostile and you know you cross

3603
02:36:24,400 --> 02:36:22,410
them to be your world's worst nightmare

3604
02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:24,410
to do that so when you say

3605
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:26,850
multi-dimensional that means if it

3606
02:36:30,920 --> 02:36:28,800
sounds like that's like they're coming

3607
02:36:34,850 --> 02:36:30,930
from another universe and appearing in

3608
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:34,860
two hours as if they're transported here

3609
02:36:39,830 --> 02:36:36,960
coming through some sort of a portal as

3610
02:36:41,900 --> 02:36:39,840
opposed to arriving here in an

3611
02:36:43,640 --> 02:36:41,910
interstellar craft of some type yeah

3612
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:43,650
there are some cases where people have

3613
02:36:47,810 --> 02:36:45,930
said the man in black quite literally

3614
02:36:49,430 --> 02:36:47,820
vanished in front of them or they've

3615
02:36:52,490 --> 02:36:49,440
seen them go to the street and they've

3616
02:36:54,860 --> 02:36:52,500
got this old-style 1950s black car and

3617
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:54,870
the car just literally vanishes again

3618
02:36:58,460 --> 02:36:56,640
you know is it a hologram is it

3619
02:37:00,080 --> 02:36:58,470
something that's a projection placed in

3620
02:37:02,780 --> 02:37:00,090
the mind of the witness who doesn't

3621
02:37:05,650 --> 02:37:02,790
realize that I don't know but there are

3622
02:37:08,120 --> 02:37:05,660
enough cases where they do have this

3623
02:37:10,670 --> 02:37:08,130
quality of here one second and I

3624
02:37:12,890 --> 02:37:10,680
literally gone the next second gotta

3625
02:37:18,350 --> 02:37:12,900
wrap it up just wrap it up let me wrap

3626
02:37:20,810 --> 02:37:18,360
it up here hold on sale sounds like

3627
02:37:24,380 --> 02:37:20,820
you're wrapped up everybody okay to hear

3628
02:37:26,150 --> 02:37:24,390
the rap may please tell our listeners

3629
02:37:30,650 --> 02:37:26,160
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3630
02:37:32,450 --> 02:37:30,660
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3631
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:32,460
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3632
02:37:37,310 --> 02:37:35,610
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3633
02:37:39,591 --> 02:37:37,320
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3634
02:37:41,960 --> 02:37:39,601
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3635
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3636
02:37:45,350 --> 02:37:43,470
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3637
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3638
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